I just ordered one of the new NTK/NGK. New AFR readings in the 9.0-20.0 range and much faster response.
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I just ordered one of the new NTK/NGK. New AFR readings in the 9.0-20.0 range and much faster response.
Just wanted to check and see if MTX-L was still working well for you guys?
That is the one I am thinking about getting ('05 Corvette, LS2, HP Tuners Pro interface). Seems to have good reviews and is cheaper than the NGK one
For those of you missing the old NGK setup: http://www.bmotorsports.com/shop/pro...oducts_id/2337
Hi All,
The new AEM wideband is out. Its still a bosch sensor, but its the LSU 4.9 and not the 4.2.
Part number is 30-4110 and they i sell them on daily basis. Seems to be accurate and trouble free with me and my customers so just wanted to share it with you guys.
Good luck!
[EDIT : Withdrawn]
I have only just noticed my question regarding the simulated Narrowband output actually has its own sticky.
Still happy to hear of any success stories or disasters.
OK guys help me out, I want to make sure what I get is portable, dual channel, and will interface with the MPVI?
The tuning school offers a WEGOIV dual channel, is this my best solution or are other options? Where else can I shop for tuning tools?
4.9 sensor aem here
Sorry if this has been answered before but the information is fairly overwhelming.
I want the following features:
2 outputs - 1 that can simulate narrowband and one 0-5V for hptuners.
Either a 3rd output or a hand held gadget that will show me instantaneous AFR without requiring a laptop to be plugged in.
Minimal or no free air calibrations required.
Narrowband simualtion is for trialing my own lean cruise implementation as I will be keeping the stock O2 sensor as well for comparison and if I have problems.
It seems the innovate LC-2 will do all of these things however it requires regular calibrations and I seem to find more andecotal reports of failure or issues than I do with the AEM, these are of course dependent on the forum I'm reading so I've taken them with a grain of salt.
So it seems to come down to the AEM with the 4.9 sensor or the LC-2. What is going to have the better controller for outputting narrowband simulation with filtering (if required) and also come with an AFR gauge (hand held or a 3rd output to use with a cheap gauge).
If you're Australian go with TechEdge : http://wbo2.com/
I have a 2C0B and I've had no issues yet - although I haven't used or validated the Simulated Narrowband that it has. These outputs a reconfigurable so you can scale the 'granularity' to your requirements and talk directly in Lambda easily. You can also spew numbers onto your PC with serial input if you're too tight-arse for a display (that's what I did)
Eek - price may have gone up since I last looked.
Anyone got a good answer why the AEM doesn't need to be calibrated? Also from someone who has installed both why is the AEM easier to install?
HOW ABOUT THIS , AN IS THERE AN INPUT FOR IT http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/x...cat=273&page=2
THANKS
JIM
If you enjoy changing sensors and having errors constantly, have at it
If you want something that just works get a PLX 4.9 or one of the new AEM models.
Doesn't the innovate use exactly the same Bosch LSU 4.9 sensor as the PLX and AEM?Quote:
Originally Posted by schpenxel
The controller can kill them no matter what sensor you're using. Or they can last for years and years like they do in OEM applications.
But, you are right that I was using Innovate back when they used 4.2 sensors. It's possible they are more reliable now that they've gone to 4.9 sensors, but I still wouldn't bother taking the chance
It isn't that hard to implement the heating cycles as per the datasheet, if that was a problem they would fail very quickly or not work at all. I'm sceptical that they are any less reliable.
You can believe whatever you want. Fact is, many of us had E8 error issues with Innovate widebands. It may no longer be an issue, but it still left me bitter after spending more on sensors than my PLX setup cost which went a year straight with no issues at all
Whether the errors were from heating issues or not I have no idea
Doing the warm-up procedure in the datasheet is not difficult. But, maintaining proper constant sensor temperature with wildly varying EGT and exhaust gas flow is a bit of a trick. Some controllers do it better than others. If the sensor temperature is allowed to change too much / too fast, the thermal stresses can cause the ceramic element to crack. Like throwing cold water on hot glass.Quote:
It isn't that hard to implement the heating cycles as per the datasheet, if that was a problem they would fail very quickly or not work at all. I'm sceptical that they are any less reliable.
For what it's worth, I have one of those MTX's with the 4.9 sensor etc., have had for many months now, and nothing has broken yet... it seems to me it's pretty fast as well, according to my limited understanding. I have frequently e.g. started the car when the device is already up (i.e. could get thermal shock) but so far it's been ok... mind you, ambient temp here isn't exactly low either :)
kr D.
So is this wideband/setup right for ME?
- 2001 LS1 engine (have)
- 2016 laptop (have)
- AEM 30-4110 without the 02 sensor http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/AEM-Digit...IAAOSwmmxW6yVN (don't have) (50/50 on that and with Gen4 PLX)
- Bosch 17123 4.9 LSU wideband 02 sensor (short lead version of Bosch 17025) (have)
- VCM Suite STANDARD (like am I the only one with Standard instead of Pro?) (waiting to be delivered)
Would I be able to fully tune my car/LS1 using those parts above? Help please. I wanna buy a wideband controller asap. (AEM 30-4110 or Gen4 PLX)
Having the equipment is only a small part of the equation, have you tuned vehicles before?Quote:
Originally Posted by Mr. Smith
Not with computer software, no. But I will learn how to.Quote:
Originally Posted by rolls
Back to the topic and what I was asking..
Is it possible for me or anyone else on the planet to tune my car with the list of parts I wrote down.
Can I (or anyone) connect them all up and be able to check out and adjust the A/F ratio, blah blah bah...
Again, with VCM Suite STANDARD.
Yes it is possible. It will have to be connected via serial or via EGR/AC wiring like mentioned in the other thread though.
Thanks schpenxel. You're the MVP of this place. I'll look into this umm, serial connection more.. and buy a wideband controller hopefully tonight. Just have to research the shyt out of the 2 and see which is best.Quote:
Originally Posted by schpenxel
Can you help me with wiring the PLX to HP Tuners?Quote:
Originally Posted by viper04af
Connect the 0-5V "wideband" output of the PLX controller to to analog input 1 ("A/D Input 1" on picture below) on the MPVI interface. You should also run a ground wire from a ground on the PLX interface to the ground pin on the HPTuners interface, but a lot people don't and get by.Quote:
Originally Posted by Newbie
You can see the outputs in the PLX manual found below. Be sure to check yours before using this pinout; I believe they moved some pins around recently so it may have changed.
http://www.plxdevices.com/v/vspfiles...user_guide.pdf
And HPTuners interface pinout:
http://www.hptuners.com/help/gfx/vcm...r_eio_plug.jpg
If you don't run a ground wire and the grounds are different due to one having a poor earth you will get an offset error. I would highly recommend running the ground.
This is where serial would be so much better, I think HPT have implemented it for one or two companies.
If you can use serial use it, no offset errors or messy ground etc, it either works or it doesn't.
Yeah they've done some implementation for serial, mainly for Innovate and AEM. I can't remember if they ever really tested it on PLX. From what I recall AEM works better as what they send out via serial seems a bit simpler.
Still... with good wiring ground offsets really shouldn't be an issue. AEM has started including a dedicated ground circuit that you have to use as a ground for the analog out. It's amazingly accurate that way... I've compared it down to several decimal places vs. an OBD connection and it was hard to find a difference, I was shocked. PLX I haven't ever done that but did run one for a year or so and never had any issues
Do you need the whole wideband kits or can you just install and use a wideband sensor connected to the MPVI Box?
Have to have the controller. Then controller connects to MPVI.
Hey guys, new to this, and I have an old Innovate LM-1 that has two analog outputs, 0-1V and 0-2V. Is there a way to configure to this output or am I going to have to buy a new Wide band? Hate to spend the money if I don't have to!
There are two analog channels but they can be modified to simulate AFR wideband values of up to 20v or narroband O2 values of 0-1v. There is a serial interface cable that hooks to the computer but is terminated in a DB9 connector. For todays computers you will need a serial to USB adapter cable and run the Logworks software. You will be able to reprogram the chanells to any AFR or Lambda transform you desire.
Here is the manual
It is an old unit but works pretty good. As a mater of fact I stil have one that I use from time to time though I have migrated more to the AEM line for everyday tuning.
Ed M
new to tuning and still getting set up. Anyone know if i get the plx wideband, can i use both analog outputs at the same time so the wideband provides the ecm with the analog narrowband signal and my mpvi pro with the analog wideband signal?
Yes just have to tie in the PLX wideband output (0-1v) to the narrowband connector going back to the PCM. many of the Widebands available tody will support that scenario.Quote:
Originally Posted by bdmarsh
Ed M
Thanks Mowton! that sounds like a lot of trouble given the price of the AEM's. Also, my LM-1 is reading 15.2 at idle, so I richened it a bit, would barely run, so I tried leaning it a bit over where it was. Ran better. I am thinking the sensor may be bad. Ordered an AEM to see what it looks like, worst case I spent a little more than what a sensor cost. And when I say a little, I started with a +2 and it ran terrible, so I tried -1 from the base 6.0 map and it was happier, but the LM-1 says 15.9 now. That is why I'm thinking the sensor is done.
OK, probably a major noob question, but the AEM 30-4110 doesn't have a ground wire with the sensor wire. I have it just hooked up with the blue sensor wire to port 1 but no ground wire. I am seeing some strange AF numbers like 10.2:1. Now it will occasionally put up a good number, and occasionally put up a 19 ish number. should I run a ground wire or do I have an other issue?
Based on the low numbers and how it felt, I gave a -3 to the whole VE table and it is better, but I don't like seat of the pants vs. using these fancy tools!
Am looking into wegoIV wideband anyone tired it and how is it ?
How to connect it to the mpvi2 ?
can anyone tell me if the lm2 can be hooked up
serial to usb
thanks
If i get 2 NTK 24302 sensors can i wire them to run directly to mpvi2 or do i need a controller? Going on 04 GTO. Ill use VCM scanner for logging.
I purchased the Daytona Sensors WEGO IV unit and can NOT get it to work with HPtuners. I create the PID and it vanishes when starting to scan.
Frustrated as hell.