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Builded Nag 1 alwais flare 3-4 shift and short shift
Hi
This is a very long issu I have over few years and I was never able to fix it,
Up to now, tried 3 differant Builded transmission, 2 TCM, rebuilded Torque converter Try to remote tune over 50 TCM tune
from a good Nag 1 tuner and still have the exact same issu.
Tried also a Hemi tuner custom TCM with 3 different flash without succes.
Car is a Magnum SRT8 with a 406Ci Forged Motor with a V-7 Vortec blower at 18 psi, Good 1000 Hp at Motor.
motor tune is solid, no problem there, Transmissionis alwais flaring at 3-4 shift only.
Last winter, instaled another SHR war viking max, all rebuilded to eliminate transmission issue,
Behave perfectlky in the street, Very firm shift at part throttle, then hit the strip to try it safely at WOT,
No change at all, Shift firm 1-2, 2-3, at the commanded RPM but alwais short shift around 5500, 6000, then flare to 6600, then shift.
I am now sure it is not a transmission problem, it seams that the TCM tune is good, Is there somthing in the ECM tune that can cause this behaviour ?
attached TCM and PCM tune
and logAttachment 108573
Could you help me to tune a file with this same case you have a contact numbers
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06300CSRT8
same issue, but started figuring it out.....
two main causes if you are 100% confident nothing mechanical going on...
Both my recent super pro nag1s have a shift flare on the oncoming gear that is the same gear I lock the converter. So for example if i have my tune set to lock the converter in 3rd gear, during the 3-4 shift it is trying to shift AND lock the converter at the same time and it causes a neutraling. I tested this by changing lockup to 2nd gear, and i had a 2-3 shift flare, nothing 3-4. Seemed pretty consistent. In my logs even though i ask it to lock in 2nd gear, with the power I am making it never happens in the gear I request, goes to "apply" but never "locked" so through the shift change the converter is playing a role in turbine speed. My guess is the converter pressure commanded drops momentarily during the shift, so the converter is screaming to try to lock up as im pulling through the gear, doesnt quite get there, shift command comes and pressure in the torque converter clutches is dropped, rpms spike, shift happens, pressure reapplied, and converter locks and now im in the next gear.
In my latest setup, just from shitty injector data, i ended up with a shitty VE table, which resulted in a shitty modeled airflow, which finally resulted in a stupid calculated torque number (450lb ft versus my actual of 900 or so). Same 2-3 shift flare. However, i recently started to just toss in tweaked injector data so i can steadily keep increasing my VE table, torque is now around 700lb ft and all the shift flares went away.
So this tells me although the ramp torque and tables in the trans max out at 4-500lb ft for modeling, there is still a difference to torque management beyond what is in the table. if your calculated torque is really far off, then the shift commands are going to be off too.
So my suggestion for testing is completely unlock your converter until 5th gear and give it go. If that doesnt help, check your calculated torque, if its way off from your known actual (via a dyno or setup), work on dialing in your VE/injectors to get your aircharge higher so torque comes up in the TCM.