2019 Mustang GT incredible MAF row axis

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07-08-2019
Auto-Hentzschel

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2019 Mustang GT incredible MAF row axis

Today I tried to tune a 2019 Mustang GT with JLT CAI. Simply thing normally. This time I tried to use the factory row axis from the [ECM] 44317 - MAF Airflow vs. Period. Did some other adjustments in spark and torque section to get a good result. Butt on every pull I got IPC wheel torque error and the torque wrench comes up. I go back to stock step by step, still IPC wheel torque error. Again and again. Finally I fixed that error with a different row axis for the MAF airflow table. Added back all power adjustments and the car rund perfect and add some serious numbers. Can someone explain why the scale of the row axis can produce IPC wheel torque error?
The MAF curve was not perfect, but it was not more than 5-10% fuel trim error. In any case not enough to get this error.
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07-08-2019
CCS86

Just look at the shape of the curve in your "bad" photo. It's terrible.

It isn't necessarily just the axis values, but the combination of the axis values and the table values made for a very jagged function.

MAF transfer functions should be very smooth curves.
07-09-2019
Auto-Hentzschel

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Originally Posted by CCS86

Just look at the shape of the curve in your "bad" photo. It's terrible.

I know, the curve need to be smooth. But this is not the error. It is not bad enough for PCM Pail Mode. Always if I collect Data for the MAF curve, it fails. Only the different row data fixed it.
07-09-2019
veeefour

3rd Gen Coyte is extremely sensitive to MAF changes - car might not even run at all. Something different in that new Bosch ECU compared to old Siemens/Continental.
07-10-2019
nonnex

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Originally Posted by Auto-Hentzschel

I know, the curve need to be smooth. But this is not the error. It is not bad enough for PCM Pail Mode. Always if I collect Data for the MAF curve, it fails. Only the different row data fixed it.

Hm, silly question, but have you adjusted the period-rows/scale to be logged for the '19 in your Scanner-Tool too? Maybe they are mismatching.
07-10-2019
MaximumVelocity

take stock maf curve and multiply by 1.50 then use the stft error to fine tune it.
07-10-2019
Auto-Hentzschel

how it looks, someone do misunderstand my post. I don't need a explanation how to tune a MAF curve. I only will show you, that a incorrect MAF row axis on the new Mustang GT PCM get wheel torque error and fail safe errors.
07-10-2019
CCS86

I still don't really understand your confusion. You fed the PCM a garbage MAF function and it complained. That doesn't surprise me.

You didn't even post up what the actual error was. You just said "...the torque wrench comes up", which I'm assuming means you got a check engine light; and there would be associated trouble codes with that.
07-11-2019
Montecarlodrag

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I had similar issues yesterday. 2019 manual with a C&L CAI
My MAF curve is very smooth but it needed from -10 to -15% adjustment on the upper cells. AFR in OL follows commanded with less than 1% error.
However the car is acting weird. As soon as it's started a dash error comes "Hill Start assist not available", then a wrench error that says "Check owner manual". When those errors are present the Sport, Track modes can't be selected. Downshift RPM matching is also disabled. No IPC Wheel Torque errors so far.

With HPT scanner I found no DTCs however I tried a SCT X4 and found P086E (Neutral Position sensor A Circuit intermitent/Erratic) and P095B which has no description, the only page that has it listed has this description: "ISO/SAE Reserved"

If I flash the stock tune those issues go away. I haven't found the solution yet.

Best Regards.
07-11-2019
Auto-Hentzschel

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Originally Posted by CCS86

I still don't really understand your confusion. You fed the PCM a garbage MAF function and it complained. That doesn't surprise me.

You didn't even post up what the actual error was. You just said "...the torque wrench comes up", which I'm assuming means you got a check engine light; and there would be associated trouble codes with that.

no engine light, no DTC! only fail save mode and torque wrench.
I just fixed it with custom row axis for the MAF curve. every thing works good and engine runs fine.
07-11-2019
veeefour

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Originally Posted by Auto-Hentzschel

no engine light, no DTC! only fail save mode and torque wrench.
I just fixed it with custom row axis for the MAF curve. every thing works good and engine runs fine.

This is what you should do if you don't have any bench flow data provided for given CAI.

It takes time to do it right tho - I like to stick with CAI's that comes with flow bench data like JLT or PMAS.
10-12-2019
nathanmhare

Same Problem

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Originally Posted by Montecarlodrag

I had similar issues yesterday. 2019 manual with a C&L CAI
My MAF curve is very smooth but it needed from -10 to -15% adjustment on the upper cells. AFR in OL follows commanded with less than 1% error.
However the car is acting weird. As soon as it's started a dash error comes "Hill Start assist not available", then a wrench error that says "Check owner manual". When those errors are present the Sport, Track modes can't be selected. Downshift RPM matching is also disabled. No IPC Wheel Torque errors so far.

With HPT scanner I found no DTCs however I tried a SCT X4 and found P086E (Neutral Position sensor A Circuit intermitent/Erratic) and P095B which has no description, the only page that has it listed has this description: "ISO/SAE Reserved"

If I flash the stock tune those issues go away. I haven't found the solution yet.

Best Regards.

Did you ever resolve this problem? I just had a guy leave my shop with a brand new car with a Whipple on it having this same exact issue and codes while driving across country.

Thanks!
10-12-2019
paulsmithsr

Yes did it work ?
10-14-2019
Montecarlodrag

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Originally Posted by nathanmhare

Did you ever resolve this problem? I just had a guy leave my shop with a brand new car with a Whipple on it having this same exact issue and codes while driving across country.

Thanks!

Yes.
The issue was because I changed the tire size on the Speedometer tab.

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This car had slightly bigger tires, I entered the correct info because Speedo was not matching GPS.
I think the speedo should be calibrated with the scanner not in the calibration.
I returned this to stock including "Learn from BCM" switch and the problems were fixed.

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After this I tuned it as usual, had the MAF calibrated within 1% error in OL and the car worked great, it's been working good since then without any other issue.
Best Regards.