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    Upgrade?

    Thinking about doing the upgrade from mpvi pro to the mpvi3. Curious what are the benefits of the 3 vs 1pro? Any downsides? Also is the mpvi3 compatible with win11, because I just got a new laptop and found out that 1pro is not compatible with it.

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    main upsides are universal credits and additional vehicle support.
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    Any downside to upgrading? Also does it work with windows 11?

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    Depends on who you ask. Newer versions of the software eliminated certain things, so if you are still on 4.2-4.8ish versions you'd lose stuff going to 5.X stuff.

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    If the 1 is still working and not bricked I might be interested in purchasing - that's if you want to sale it. They're far superior on the older cars and will communicate when the mpvi 2 or 3's won't even blink an eye at them. Not to mention the 3's and the latest software has a lot of drawbacks such as hpt just deciding they weren't going to support certain computers OS's anymore making mine not work with it... If you have the ability to do so you might even want to keep your older computer with the older interface, so you can work on older stuff. If not I'm interested
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    Quote Originally Posted by GHuggins View Post
    If the 1 is still working and not bricked I might be interested in purchasing - that's if you want to sale it. They're far superior on the older cars and will communicate when the mpvi 2 or 3's won't even blink an eye at them. Not to mention the 3's and the latest software has a lot of drawbacks such as hpt just deciding they weren't going to support certain computers OS's anymore making mine not work with it... If you have the ability to do so you might even want to keep your older computer with the older interface, so you can work on older stuff. If not I'm interested
    This is exactly what I was wondering about. Because I don't mind keeping v1 and just getting the v3 as a second unit. But was wondering if there was even a need to keep the v1 if v3 did everything v1 did and more. I had heard that v2 had a lot of issues that people were wishing they kept the v1. Was curious of v3 was the same or not.

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    Can we get the upgrade at a cheaper price....WITHOUT the credits attached to the MPVI3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by XxScottxXN View Post
    Can we get the upgrade at a cheaper price....WITHOUT the credits attached to the MPVI3?
    Unfortunately not, sorry.
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    as a customer who has spent serious money in credits, and upgraded through every generation of tool, (being told that the new ones were better) only to find out they werent, and never lived up to their advertised usage, I feel this full price upgrade is a complete slap in the face. and lets be honest, the 2+ was a complete flop. absolutely junk hardware.

    i really feel those that have paid for all the upgrades should be sent upgrade offers at a reduced rate, or at an absolute minimum return the old device(reflashed as new, ie zero credits) that way we can atleast recoup some of our wasted money
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    What is the benefit to doing the upgrade rather than sell my 2+ (recover some $$) then buy a new 3 unit?
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    Quote Originally Posted by stevegressel View Post
    What is the benefit to doing the upgrade rather than sell my 2+ (recover some $$) then buy a new 3 unit?
    main benefit for you is the 4 free credits and the MPVI3 comes with the pro feature set free($249 for MPVI2+)
    It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be done in two weeks...

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    keeping your existing licenses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gtstorey View Post
    keeping your existing licenses.
    True!
    It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be done in two weeks...

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    I want to upgrade, I see a lot of value in the 3.
    The question is Sell my current 2+ then buy a new 3 --OR-- trade in my 2+ for a 3?
    Use case:
    1) 2+ already setup on my car (2009 C6 Z06),
    2) I'm only going to use this unit on my 1 car.
    Is there still a benefit to me getting the extra credits from the trade program?
    Will my current credits transfer over if I sell 2+ and buy a new 3? (not trade in)
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    I "believe" Bill stated elsewhere that credits aren't exchangeable from device to device. Bill can clarify that as I'm most likely mistaken.

    Personally I like the mpvi 2 - new enough with the smaller cable and still works with the older computers. I was at a shop doing a tune for them and they had the mpvi 3. Between the 3 computers we tried it on it only worked on one computer. 2 of those computers were 64bit OS's whereas mine is a 32bit windows 7pro OS - this is when I found out from hpt that the newer software and hardware only works "right" with certain windows OS's and won't work at all on the older 32bit OS's making all older computers obsolete - understand it, but should have compatibility statements with it especially since an update prior worked just fine.

    Drawbacks to anything newer than the mpvi 1 - most of the time they don't work on older vehicles. Something's off in the communication protocols with them. You can hook up a mpvi1 if the shop has one and it will read and program without fault. Connect the mpvi2 and it won't even see the vehicle? Mostly early 2000ish chevy trucks and older fords up through 04 or 05 have this problem.
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    My mpvi2 worked with my 99 sierra......Are you guys saying that an mpvi2+ or mpvi3 will possibly not work with a gm product that old?

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    Quote Originally Posted by GHuggins View Post
    I "believe" Bill stated elsewhere that credits aren't exchangeable from device to device. Bill can clarify that as I'm most likely mistaken.

    Personally I like the mpvi 2 - new enough with the smaller cable and still works with the older computers. I was at a shop doing a tune for them and they had the mpvi 3. Between the 3 computers we tried it on it only worked on one computer. 2 of those computers were 64bit OS's whereas mine is a 32bit windows 7pro OS - this is when I found out from hpt that the newer software and hardware only works "right" with certain windows OS's and won't work at all on the older 32bit OS's making all older computers obsolete - understand it, but should have compatibility statements with it especially since an update prior worked just fine.

    Drawbacks to anything newer than the mpvi 1 - most of the time they don't work on older vehicles. Something's off in the communication protocols with them. You can hook up a mpvi1 if the shop has one and it will read and program without fault. Connect the mpvi2 and it won't even see the vehicle? Mostly early 2000ish chevy trucks and older fords up through 04 or 05 have this problem.
    I've never had issues with any of my new cables not reading older vehicles. I still have my 1, but it only comes out for eecv stuff, which is a known issue. the 1 logs flawlessly, but the two is required to flash..

    now the 2+ is just a complete dumpster fire. if i leave it plugged in for longer than 10 minutes you have to completely unplug it and let it shut down to get communication back, Bluetooth doesn't work when you need it to, or it keeps trying t connect through Bluetooth, when your trying to use the cable and wont find the device for flashing.

    that and its just feels cheap vs the 2. I unfortunately have each generation, except the 3, I would really like to consolidate them all, but hpt hasn't made any effort to fix their known problems. just want to sell me another new device
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    I've had 3 separate trucks and just about every older mustang/ford I hook my 2 to that had problems. They won't datalog as you mentioned at all or are glitchy at best or "they will" datalog flawlessly, but won't communicate to flash - explain that one How can something communicate to get data, but not to program or vice versa - communicate to program, but not to log? I agree seems like as of late they just keep focusing on new instead of fixing what they got.
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    I'm going to upgrade my 2. Started with a 1 and upgraded when I could years ago since the 2 made it much easier to log without all the extra cables of the 1. I've used both on my 2002 Trans Am that I've owned since I bought it new. Don't want to lose my license purchases which are good for all 1999-2002 Firebirds & Camaros as well as all late 90's through 2013 Corvettes, plus numerous other GM vehicles. I've continued to add newer vehicles - Fords, Dodges, and imports I've purchased over the years (most of them I still own). I need the MPVI3 for a couple of new vehicles we own that the MPVI2 doesn't support so it seems like a good time to consolidate. My situation certainly doesn't apply to others but the vehicles I own and others I tune for make it so I won't give up my licences and start over.