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    rear O2 sensor switching frequency?

    Hi,

    Got my 6.1 Challenger running great again, finally.

    One issue, I noticed a P0420 catalyst efficiency bank 1 code.

    Its boosted, so I have been expecting to have to deal with the cats and put in some hi flow as the exhaust manifolds and cats and mid-pipes are stock.

    Does anyone know what the switching pattern should look like for the rear O2s when the cats are healthy on these cars?

    Histograms for fuel trims ST+FT, and wideband eq ratio error are tight, bouncing around +/- 1.5 across the part throttle cells of VE...so I feel it is dialed in, on this car the front O2s are cycling maybe once every two seconds, but the rears look to be cycling too fast. I was expecting the rears to switch allot less often. I am noticing the rears switch almost as often as the fronts, although after the car warms up when idling or cruising at a constant speed the drivers side rear sensor just climbs up rich and saturates to the top of scale. It comes back low/lean if you coast (seems normal, since DFCO is enabled), then when I return to part throttle again the fronts start cycling normally... but the drivers rear maybe switches a few times before settling up to the rich side again. Does this sound like cat has gone bad?

    I think this means the cats are not doing a good job as they should, so I probably need to put some high flows cats in? which brings up my last question... who makes a good quality high flow cat that survives behind a hemi running 9psi of boost?
    Last edited by ngc1068; 05-05-2023 at 05:15 PM.
    2016 Chevy SS Sedan M6 SBE LS3, Whipple 2.9L, 3.625 upper/stock lower pulleys for 9.5psi, TSP Stg 3 SC Cam, ID 1050x injectors, LS7 MAF, DSX Aux Pump, DSX Flex Fuel Sensor
    2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8, 6.1 HEMI, Edelbrock E-Force TVS-2300, 9psi

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    high flows are not gonna fix that

    turn 'em off, build some mid pipes, and install a real o2 sensor

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    Lol, I have a set of offroad mid-pipes in the garage, just reluctant to install them for a host of reasons. Real O2 sensor? I have an AEM X-Series OBD2 wideband in each bank already, and the factory narrow bands both pre and post-cat... what do you mean by a real o2 sensor?
    2016 Chevy SS Sedan M6 SBE LS3, Whipple 2.9L, 3.625 upper/stock lower pulleys for 9.5psi, TSP Stg 3 SC Cam, ID 1050x injectors, LS7 MAF, DSX Aux Pump, DSX Flex Fuel Sensor
    2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8, 6.1 HEMI, Edelbrock E-Force TVS-2300, 9psi

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    rear O2 sensors are not supposed to switch, if they do it means cat is bad and the PCM send a code

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    How “tight” are the LTFT/STFT @ idle after 140sec of engine run time?
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    Quote Originally Posted by jimmyZJ View Post
    rear O2 sensors are not supposed to switch, if they do it means cat is bad and the PCM send a code
    Thanks, exactly the confirmation I was looking for!
    2016 Chevy SS Sedan M6 SBE LS3, Whipple 2.9L, 3.625 upper/stock lower pulleys for 9.5psi, TSP Stg 3 SC Cam, ID 1050x injectors, LS7 MAF, DSX Aux Pump, DSX Flex Fuel Sensor
    2009 Dodge Challenger SRT8, 6.1 HEMI, Edelbrock E-Force TVS-2300, 9psi

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    For a good hemi boosted cat, Kooks green, or go to magnum tuning . Com and buy “their’s”
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