Which Wideband is right for YOU?

[murphinator]

I am about to embark on the same journey...

where did you get your AFX?]

ballenger motorsports:

with upgraded ntk sensor:

http://www.bmotorsports.com/shop/pro...roducts_id/582

with standard bosch sensor:

http://www.bmotorsports.com/shop/pro...roducts_id/357

[04goat]

I am about to embark on the same journey...

where did you get your AFX?

Oh and... I found the WB shootout article... looks like Innovative is the way to go:

http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/r...B_Shootout.pdf

You can find the one I got here: http://www.summitracing.com/parts/NGK-91101/

Well, too late now... I already canceled the Innovative one and ordered the AFX. Just as well, everyone seems to rave about it anyway. Now, if I can figure out a way to mount it discreetly... I really don't want any aftermarket gauges in/on my dash.

Have you considered this one? http://www.aemelectronics.com/engine...nline-uego-50/

Hadn't heard of it till right now, and already ordered the other... Like I said, don't like the idea of an aftermarket gauge, but I'm not changing it again. It's already been shipped anyway.

[sidewayz28]

04Goat
NGK AFX just came in today from summit. looks like a real nice peice of equipment. I know the perfect spot to mount this baby guna put it right inside my AC vents in the center of my dash so its out of sight.. unless your driving

[04goat]

04Goat
NGK AFX just came in today from summit. looks like a real nice peice of equipment. I know the perfect spot to mount this baby guna put it right inside my AC vents in the center of my dash so its out of sight.. unless your driving

Yeah, I got mine in from Summit yesterday too. Heading up to Battleground Engineering (dyno & tune shop in Atlanta) any second now to get the bung welded on.

I'm wanting mine concealed too. I'm going to see if I can fit it under the panel pictured below. I might even add some framework for this to raise and lower to expose the gauge when needed... But if nothing else, I can just pop the panel off when I need the gauge.

[5_Liter_Eater]

I just have mine in my glovebox.

[04goat]

I just have mine in my glovebox.

yeah, I already considered that... saving it for "plan c" right now. May end up there though. We'll see. Getting the bung mounted as I type. Hoping to get started maybe even as early tonight with calibrating it and everything.

[sidewayz28]

I'm jealous... i have to wait on new injectors to come, and HPT is arriving tonight. then i have to remount some gauges into a radio delete panel im making. Probably take on the task next weekend.
oh yah, not to mention its pissing down rain in seattle

[04goat]

oh yah, not to mention its pissing down rain in seattle

RAINING? In SEATTLE? Who'da thunk it!

I got my bung welded on, and then got home and opened up the AFX box, preparing to hook it all up... and then I hit a brick wall. Ok... More of a STEEL wall. The molex/plug for the O2 sensor is HUGE. I'm just not willing to cut a 2" diameter hole in my firewall to feed through what will end up being a tiny little cable. I'll get water splashing up, and road noise, and all sorts of crap. It was very frustrating, so I tossed it all to the side and walked away for a few days.

The best solution I can come up with is to cut the cable somewhere in the middle and put small plug-type crimp connectors on the 4 or 5 wires that are in there so I can avoid having to fit the massive molex plug through the firewall.

But that seems kinda drastic... Anyone got a better idea?

[Bell040]

RAINING? In SEATTLE? Who'da thunk it!

I got my bung welded on, and then got home and opened up the AFX box, preparing to hook it all up... and then I hit a brick wall. Ok... More of a STEEL wall. The molex/plug for the O2 sensor is HUGE. I'm just not willing to cut a 2" diameter hole in my firewall to feed through what will end up being a tiny little cable. I'll get water splashing up, and road noise, and all sorts of crap. It was very frustrating, so I tossed it all to the side and walked away for a few days.

The best solution I can come up with is to cut the cable somewhere in the middle and put small plug-type crimp connectors on the 4 or 5 wires that are in there so I can avoid having to fit the massive molex plug through the firewall.

But that seems kinda drastic... Anyone got a better idea?

any pics of the plug?

seems strange that you would have to cut a whole that big

[04goat]

any pics of the plug?

seems strange that you would have to cut a whole that big

Ok, ok... So 2" was a bit of an exaggeration. The plug is 1.5" on one side and 1.25" on the other.

TOP VIEW:


SIDE VIEW:

[5_Liter_Eater]

How big is the side that plugs into the WB controller? Smaller I bet...

[04goat]

That would be a logical conclusion... Given the small number of wires, and the low voltage required, one could assume that the plug could be very small. In truth, the one at the other end is smaller, but only by a very small amount. It is much thinner, but when drilling a hole to pass the plug, the larger size must be considered.

I'm pretty much convinced that I will just have to cut the wires, solder them back together, and heat shrink them.

Here's what the other end looks like. This one plugs into the AFX gauge:

[Bell040]

I dont understand why NGK would make an O2 sensor and controller with a digital readout that has both ends of the cable so big. I agree that noone wants to drill a hole that big.

Just read the installation part of the manual.... http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/pdf/AFX...ual_REV_06.pdf.... no mention of how to pass it though the cabin wall.

[04goat]

I dont understand why NGK would make an O2 sensor and controller with a digital readout that has both ends of the cable so big. I agree that noone wants to drill a hole that big.

Just read the installation part of the manual.... http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/tech_su.../faq/index.asp.... no mention of how to pass it though the cabin wall.

Yup. I agree. I misread, and so I double-checked the manual myself. Nada. Like I said, I'll just cut, solder, and heat shrink the wires. Doing that, I should be able to make it a nice tight fit through a small (quarter inch if not smaller) hole.

[superwagon]

You could also disassemble the deutsch connector ( controller side of harness) by removing the plastic orange part from the plug and then releasing each wire socket, run wires thru and then reassemble. Be sure to get the wires reinstalled in the correct location. They are numbered 1-8 on the end of the gray housing so you could just match the color of wire to number on connector.

[sidewayz28]

not a bad idea! whats the best way to go about disassembling that connector? thats not something youd wana f*** up

[superwagon]

It is very easy to do. Just use needle nose pliers and grab the center part of the orange insert and pull it out. If you look down into the housing you will see little tabs that keep the sockets from being able to be pulled out the back. If you use a small flat tip screw driver and gently move the retainer toward the center and pull the wire it will come out. To reassemble just push the wire and socket thru the rubber seal and into the connector until it locks in and then reinsert the orange plastic piece again.

[04goat]

You could also disassemble the deutsch connector ( controller side of harness) by removing the plastic orange part from the plug and then releasing each wire socket, run wires thru and then reassemble. Be sure to get the wires reinstalled in the correct location. They are numbered 1-8 on the end of the gray housing so you could just match the color of wire to number on connector.

I should have thought of that! Thanks for a great suggestion!

[MNR-0]

Ive had to rebuild mine due to melting unde the car. Its easy to pull the wires out with some jewellers screwdrivers. Take a note of the pin configuration, pull em out, push em thru your firewall, reconnect

Simple

[04goat]

Ive had to rebuild mine due to melting unde the car. Its easy to pull the wires out with some jewellers screwdrivers. Take a note of the pin configuration, pull em out, push em thru your firewall, reconnect

Simple

sounds like a plan. thanks guys!