Results 1 to 7 of 7

Thread: Starter Tune Samples for 10R80 and Gen 2 3.5 Ecoboost

  1. #1
    Tuner in Training
    Join Date
    Sep 2023
    Posts
    21

    Starter Tune Samples for 10R80 and Gen 2 3.5 Ecoboost

    I have been working for several months on fine tuning the engine and transmission in my personal 2018 Expedition and am very happy with my results. Figured I would share some template files for those who were looking for a good starting point. The Ford side of this forum doesn't seem to share as much as the GM side so hoping to change that.

    For reference, my Expedition is essentially stock. CVF titan v2 intercooler (intercooler volume adjusted for in tune settings), colder spark plugs, colder t stat, and grill shutter delete are my only "mods".

    Attached is a complete tune file, as well as my stock read for comparison. Don't just try to flash it or copy it as depending on application, your tables could be different. I believe it will copy right over on 17-19 F150 and 18-19 Expeditions, but be sure to double check as I can't guarantee anything. Flash at your own risk. If you don't have a CVF titan v2 intercooler, you'll need to change the intercooler volume back to stock under the airflow/speed density tab.

    Starting point was on the transmission. Started with the latest TCM update from Ford directly (they have made several improvements over the years). I used this as a starting point. Looked through many recent 10r80 files from newer vehicles, including the Mach 1 Mustang, and implemented some of the nice updates from Ford. The shift schedule is extremely dialed in as I spent several months testing it and tweaking it. Gear changes are perfectly evenly spaced throughout the entire rev range. All upshift skip shifting is eliminated. Highway downshifting comes much easier now. TCC won't lock until 5th gear and when it does lock, it locks hard and there is as little slip as possible. Shift pressures increased. Allow for firm shifting in sport mode now. Some other changes but those are the big ones that come to mind.

    As far as engine goes, using the forums and the inside of some other professional tunes I have seen, I was able to make a good starter "daily" file. It is safe for 87 octane as I left most tables related to spark alone, but I always recommend a minimum of 91 octane. Big safety limiters left in place. Typical
    other limiters removed or adjusted. This tune will probably satisfy 90 percent of people just looking for a little more out of their f150 or expedition. Estimate this tune adds 50 HP and 50 TQ give or take.

    Just trying to get this out there to help people out as I wish I had something like this when I started learning my own tuning years ago. I am very picky and had previously released templates but was not happy with a few things, so reposting.

    Disclaimer, I do not do this for a living, although I do tune quite a few vehicles for friends and family as needed. I am very nerdy and picky and would not share this information if I had not tested it and was confident with it. I have had a variety of training from the Tuning School, Evans Performance Academy, and HP Academy, and have spent countless hours on this forum reading and reviewing tunes and data logs.

    If anyone tries it or has more suggestions, I am all ears. Let me know what you think.

    UPDATED FILES IN POSTS BELOW
    Last edited by bmpcamry09; 4 Weeks Ago at 05:04 PM.

  2. #2
    bmpcamry,

    I give you props for sharing your work on this forum as many are tight-lipped. This platform especially, has very little information and I think you've done all of us a favor. Trans side looks good, and it's one of the best I've seen compared to other 10r80 files that I've seen. FYI if you want to achieve firmer shifts, you can add pressure to the stroke pressure adder section. Other's have their own way of doing it but that's my take. Did you notice any TCC difference when adding pressure to the capacity intercept portion? I added some previously and didn't notice anything TBH, maybe didn't add enough.

    Great work man, thanks for sharing.

  3. #3
    Tuner in Training
    Join Date
    Sep 2023
    Posts
    21
    No I didn't notice any difference on capacity intercept unfortunately. The 6r80 seems to have more options for TCC ramp versus the 10r80. The guys at MPT have the TCC figured out pretty good. Still trying to figure out their magic sauce for my own stuff lol.

    I actually discovered a weird issue with downshifting between 6th and 7th gear on my way home from work this morning, so I took down the attachments until I can look it over and will update again with an updated file. I have some sort of coastdown overlap I believe.

    Still playing with stroke pressure adders too! Always more to learn!

    Thanks for the compliment.
    Last edited by bmpcamry09; 4 Weeks Ago at 06:17 AM.

  4. #4
    Tuner in Training
    Join Date
    Sep 2023
    Posts
    21
    Here is an updated V2 file, fixed the downshift issue, had a bit of overlapping that I somehow messed up at some point.

    I'll play around with some stroke pressure adders and if I find some success I will post a v3 up.

    Also if anyone uses the engine tune, feel free to put pedal map ratio back to stock and use the pedal characteristic tab instead to mess with the throttle. Still doing lots of testing with the pedal map ratio and trying to create some math to better plot what is going on with that table in VCM Scanner.

    Daily Trans and Engine V2.hpt
    Stock Read 18 Expedition Newest.hpt

  5. #5
    Tuner in Training
    Join Date
    Sep 2023
    Posts
    21
    Here's another trans only file for people to try, a few changes, also added in 1-3 skip shift only for low throttle application, this seems to help make the transmission feel less busy at lower throttle application speeds. I noticed that Ford eliminated the 3-5 skip shift in pretty much everything 21 and newer, but they keep the 1-3 shift. 1-3 has always felt fine to me but 3-5 and 4-6 had to go, and apparently Ford agreed at some point.

    Something I failed to mention, after you flash these changes, it doesn't hurt to reset your transmission adaptives and KAM as well. I know it technically does it when you reflash but I do the extra anyways. The pressure changes can sometimes feel strange for the first 4-10 shifts, but once the computer adapts, everything irons out and feels how this thing should feel from the factory.


    Transmission Only V3.hpt

  6. #6
    Potential Tuner
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    Wyoming, MI
    Posts
    8
    I have a question, I am used to GM tuning, so the shift points are throttle position and MPH. These are throttle position and RPM, but the RPMs dont make a lot of sense to me UNLESS they are based on the "Trans Output RPM"???
    ZZPerformance.com
    '16 ATSV m6 10.34 @ 134 mph
    '15 Sonic RS m6 1.4L 330whp
    '04 F150 5.4 SC dune truck
    '17 Raptor stock, for now
    '00 Grand Prix GT turbo 10.92 @ 125 mph

  7. #7
    Quote Originally Posted by Turbo Tim View Post
    I have a question, I am used to GM tuning, so the shift points are throttle position and MPH. These are throttle position and RPM, but the RPMs dont make a lot of sense to me UNLESS they are based on the "Trans Output RPM"???
    Output shaft speed, correct. I haven't looked at his files but that's how it's setup. There are spreadsheets on the forum to convert to engine rpm.