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  1. #41
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    117.25 is 2.04639 radian

    had native unit been radian instead of degree you would be able to get it right on the money

    does not matter : )

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stoopalini View Post
    Yeah, thanks ... that's my point on why I was concerned about testing with the 128 degree file. Not only is 125 the maximum advance the 5.7 will do, but running WOT up to redline with it fully advanced would produce excessive cylinder pressures ... and I'm not even sure the data collected would be worth it, considering the data would be with the cam at 125, but the ANN virtual VE tables would be expecting the data for 128. If I took the data captured with the cam at 125 and entered it into the NN trainer's 128 degree virtual VE table .... I think it would then be off at 125 due to the trainer extrapolating what it thinks 125 should be. As it stands right now, LTFT+STFT and EQ Error look great when the cam is at 125.

    I have similar reservations about running a test with the cam set to 85. T maximum retard of the 5.7 phaser is 97 degrees. So if I put 85 in all the tables, and tested ... the cam would only move to 97. So I imagine the data collected here wouldn't be worth inputting into the 85 table, due to the same thought process I described above .... because if I did take the data collected with te cam at 97 and input it into the NN trainer's 85 virtual VE table, then I think it would extrapolate incorrect data for the real 97 degree position ... and, the cam will never be retarded this far anyway.

    I think the best course of action is to collect data with two tests. One having the cam locked at 106.5 and the second having it locked at 117.25. Then use this data to fine tune the NN through the trainer. Considering I am only swinging the cam between 112 and 116, I think this would work well. The cam does park at 125 at idle, but the trims and EQ error are very good during this scenario. Then any increase in PRatio or air charge causes the cam to follow the PT or WOT VVT tables, where I have it set as 112 min to 116 max.
    Just run the tune at close the cam angle setting you are currently commanding at WOT for training purposes.
    Afterall, you fueling needs to be tweaked at WOT only it seems. So, fix the cam angles to roughly what you are currently commanding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HaasExp View Post
    Just run the tune at close the cam angle setting you are currently commanding at WOT for training purposes.
    Afterall, you fueling needs to be tweaked at WOT only it seems. So, fix the cam angles to roughly what you are currently commanding.
    Makes sense, thanks. I did some more testing today on the training values, and see if you change the Max and Min cam values, the breakpoints in the trainer adjust accordingly.
    I changed them to the real max and min of the 5.7 cam, and this was the result in the trainer:

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    So I wonder if I adjust them a bit more, until I get a breakpoint at 114, if it wouldn't be a quicker process to dial it in since I am pretty much setting the cam at 114 and then +/- 2 degrees at different ranges.

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