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    Typical stroker idle rpm and desensitization of misfire table?

    So after a good amount of diagnosing the previous misfires with the freshly fired up 408 I decided to have my extra set of 823 heads rebuilt. Finished installing them early this morning and a compression test showed them all around or under 200. Right after closing the drain valve on one of the catch catch cans I could tell the idle was a lot more consistent and pretty much smooth. But I am still left wondering if it should feel like it does or do all larger v8's have a somewhat consistent kick or lope? I know it could use a ton of touchup on the timing like smoothing the transitions and figuring out which adaptives to change. I am running it on 93 available down the street thankfully.

    I am very impressed by the output of this motor compared to the 6.0 it was. I have about 75 miles on it so far, did an oil change at about 50 hoping the second oil change looks like it should I will be taking an early sample in a few days just to see how it looks. Today was the first time I had it over 4k rpm actually put a little bit of foot into it. I was not aware I hit 99% TPS until after looking at the log. Do these motors usually require a bit of desensitization in the misfire tables or does this still look like a misfiring engine? Lastly I wanted to ask how accurate the part in the log may be where the engine hits 538ft lbs of torque at 4,258rpm about 3:18 into the "clip" log? Questionable idle misfires are in the "end" log.

    If I had to guess an optimal idle for this size engine and near stock duration cam on 212/218 I would guess 700-750 rpm?
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    It is not a good idea to try to use the misfire diagnostics with any cam that has any reasonable lope.

    I didn't see any real indications of a miss in the one log I opened.
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    Min airflow looks really high to me.. But I don't know what your cam specs are...
    Timing table seems a little too much at low rpm/cyl airmass.
    Depending on your cam, the idle seems a little high too..
    But i'm sure you are still working on stuff... I'm no expert for sure.. just couple things I saw
    without knowing cam specs

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    Multiply all misfire tables by 2 or 2.5. At that point it will still come on with a pretty aggressive misfire and still point out a single missing cylinder. Saved lots of time diagnosing by NOT disabling misfire detection. You can try 1.5 on a smaller cam.
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    Can you be more specific about high spark at low rpm/cylairmass? At one point the scanner shows .31 g's of cylinder airmass at 1800rpm with a throttle position of 26.7% and 28??? of spark, would this be a bit much or do you mean the spark is too high at even lower speeds? What about the spark in the screenshot? Should it be as low as 20? at cruising highway speed or is this above the sweet spot for low load cruising spark?
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