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Thread: Idle surge when hot with a/c on

  1. #1
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    Question Idle surge when hot with a/c on

    Just started happening. I have an idle surge when its hot outside(reads 100* + on outside temp monitor) with the a/c on. It does not do it severely bad and usually a tap on the gas will fix the problem but I would like to stop it from happening all together.

    What tables should I modify?

    Idle air flow> AC offset tabs?

    How much g/sec should I add/Take away?



    mods: Comp Cam XR265HR 212/218, .522/.529, 114LSA, Pacesetter LT's & ORY, Intake, Gibson catback, 35" tires, 4.10 gears, stock 1800 stall

    thanks in advance.

  2. #2
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    My impression is, that the problem really lies with the airflow /
    torque model which is something we can't see. There is a model
    for A/C drag vs IAT and A/C pressure and this seems to be a
    relatively realistic thing. But a modded car just does not make
    the same low-end torque for the same airflow as a stocker and
    when you demand said torque (A/C on) it asks for less air via
    that route than you really need. Conversely you can sometimes
    see A/C produce "cruise control effect" if you have excess air
    commanded through the base running airflow.

    Ideally you would tweak something like A/C offset until you see
    no significant RPM excursion across A/C clutch apply/de-apply.
    Look at A/C clutch events and whether the initial response is
    RPM up subtract A/C air) or down (add). Rule of thumb, however
    much (RPMoff/RPMon) it deflects, use that ratio to scale the A/C
    delivered airflow (meaning you may have to change the adder
    by more). Ignore all the pitching and yawing after, just look for
    the "first valley" or "first peak" after the clutch event.