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    HELP!!!! Crank Sensor Relearn.

    LONG STORY SHORT. I have a 2.4 LE5 short block with a LSJ head and intake and supercharger. a F35 trans all the sensors and ECM/BCM from a LSJ (ion REDLINE) I have the engine all buttoned up in the car and i fired it up the only problem is that I have to fether the throttle to keep it running. i checked the cam sensor the crank sensor both of which are good and installed correctly. im still theowing the P0017 DTC Which is Crankshaft/camshaft position corellation sensor B. sensor B references the camshaft sensor which is installed correctly. the cams are installed correctly the crank shaft pulley/balancer is installed correctly. I need to find out if the reluctor rings are the same on a 2.0l and 2.4l. I know that they are both 58x with a 12deg reference gap but is the gap in the same place?

    I contacted a source who replied to me by saying.

    The crank ring is off by 12 deg (difference between LE5 and LSJ). You would need to replace the ring on the LE5 crank with the LSJ ring. Alternatively, you may want to talk to HPtuners to see if they can figure out how to cheat it in the calibration file.

    So my question to HP tuners is is there a way difference in reluctor rings via HP tuners calibration? Also is there a way for me to do a crankshaft variation relearn with HP tuners? the only way I know of now is to use a gm tech II scanner.
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    just a bump for the morning crew.
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    anyone........
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    the case relearn procedure is done through the scanner. listed below is the path to find it.

    scanner,vcm controls, special, case learn

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    I'm aware of the case learn. However I'm talking about something a bit different.

    Are we talking about the same thing? I know case is an acronym for Crank Angle Sensor Error but is it the same thing as crankshaft variation relearn? Sorry for the noobish questions.
    Last edited by fullthrottle; 12-14-2007 at 05:06 PM.
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    case learn and crankcase variation relearn are the same.

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    LOL I did some searching and found that out. I attempted to do the CASE learn and everytime I would begin the procedure it would tell me to gradually accelerate to the fuel cut off point but everytime my TPS would go over 20% it would say taht the TPS is too high and make me start over again. any ideas as to why this is happening? my fuel cut off in P/N is 4500, i couldnt even get near that with out it saying that my TPS was too high.
    Last edited by fullthrottle; 12-14-2007 at 11:00 PM.
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    Curious if your car is drive by wire? If yes chances are you will not be able to do a case learn. I would make a new thread under vcm suite feature requests asking for a fix. I have multiple times.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ct06gto
    Curious if your car is drive by wire? If yes chances are you will not be able to do a case learn. I would make a new thread under vcm suite feature requests asking for a fix. I have multiple times.
    Well I noticed tday that you have made a thread/post or two asking for it. Yes you are correct my car is Drive by wire. I posted in your thread. I'll post a thread asking for it. I highly doubt it will happen though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by fullthrottle
    LOL I did some searching and found that out. I attempted to do the CASE learn and everytime I would begin the procedure it would tell me to gradually accelerate to the fuel cut off point but everytime my TPS would go over 20% it would say taht the TPS is too high and make me start over again. any ideas as to why this is happening? my fuel cut off in P/N is 4500, i couldnt even get near that with out it saying that my TPS was too high.
    Are you using a Tech2 ? Sounds like you're doing the procedure wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Programmer
    Are you using a Tech2 ? Sounds like you're doing the procedure wrong.

    No i was using HP tuners to do the procedure. (I've completed several crankshaft variation relearns on other vehicles) it seems there is a problem with HP tuners and ETC fitted vehicles. they said they're attempting to fix the issue
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    DO YOU OWN A FORD, DODGE OR GM ALLOYTECH VEHICLE AND GET A MESSAGE SAYING "VALIDATE CHECKSUM FAILED. YOU WILL BE UNABLE TO SAVE OR FLASH THIS FILE." IF SO FOLLOW THE LINK BELOW.

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