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    Scanning for boost

    Hey guys;
    Is there a PID for boost on the Wbody (Regal) list? I've checked and the 2 that I found don't seem to be quite right. Is there one I'm missing or do I need to make a custom? And if custom, how?
    TIA for any help.
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    For custom boost & vacuum PID, try these:

    Boost only
    This PID reports ONLY boost values. Vacuum values are discarded. (units = psi)

    ([SENS.30.IMP]-14.7)*([SENS.30.IMP]>14.7)

    Vacuum only
    This PID reports ONLY vacuum values. Boost values are discarded. (units = inHg)

    ((29.92/101)*(101-[SENS.30.MET]))*([SENS.30.MET]<101)

    As for creating custom PIDs, check out the help section of HPT entitled - Custom PIDs. It's under Working with VCM Scanner section. Much better explanation than I would give.

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    Thanks, I'll give it a try.
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    I tried that one, but it seemed to not report anything. I also tried the one in the help files. It is [PID11.IMP]-14.5
    It does show info when I scan, but at idle it reads -8.x??? I'm not sure what's up here.
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    That displays engine vacuum and boost. At idle and cruise it should be negative.
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    So, how do I get it to ignore vacuum?
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    Quote Originally Posted by JFDugal
    For custom boost & vacuum PID, try these:

    Boost only
    This PID reports ONLY boost values. Vacuum values are discarded. (units = psi)

    ([SENS.30.IMP]-14.7)*([SENS.30.IMP]>14.7)
    Edit: Just read you tried these and it didn't work, try ([PID11.IMP]-14.5)*([PID11.IMP>14.5)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perforator View Post
    Edit: Just read you tried these and it didn't work, try ([PID11.IMP]-14.5)*([PID11.IMP>14.5)
    Hi, I need to be brought up to speed on how you typed the formulas in vs. what I put in.

    Would I omit the parentheses and it look like the below? I wonder if the * is supposed to be there or have spaces on either side?
    I also see a bracket missing behind the second set in some of the posts.

    Thanks

    [PID11.IMP]-14.5*[PID11.IMP]>14.5
    Last edited by 2therock; 07-23-2009 at 11:31 AM.

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    Tried your vacuum pid. It cant be right. Theres no way I have 26in at idle. can you explaine your equation better
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    There should be a trailing bracket, typo on my part, sorry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXZ0603 View Post
    Tried your vacuum pid. It cant be right. Theres no way I have 26in at idle. can you explaine your equation better
    I idle @ 19. More when real cold. Don't know about 26 though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Perforator View Post
    There should be a trailing bracket, typo on my part, sorry.
    Hate to hammer you but I'm new. I can write GUI so I have to ask.

    Is it exactly as below. Not enclosed by (parentheses)? No spaces around the * ?

    [PID11.IMP]-14.5*[PID11.IMP]>14.5

    Thanks

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    I don't want to throw a monkey wrench in this but I just checked my dashboard since I have a boost gauge that displays positive and negative values and this is the custom pid I have defined for it.



    ((([PID.2332]*60)+10)-100)*0.14503773773

    PID.2332 is Manifold Air Pressure so I'm pretty sure you need to be scanning Manifold Absolute Pressure for this custom PID to work.
    Last edited by Perforator; 07-26-2009 at 06:53 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Perforator View Post
    I don't want to throw a monkey wrench in this but I just checked my dashboard since I have a boost gauge that displays positive and negative values and this is the custom pid I have defined for it.
    ((([PID.2332]*60)+10)-100)*0.14503773773

    PID.2332 is Manifold Air Pressure so I'm pretty sure you need to be scanning Manifold Absolute Pressure for this custom PID to work.
    Do you have a 2 bar MAP sensor?

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    3 bar but I scaled the map values so the pcm reads correctly. It shouldn't matter.
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    I'm trying to get this working under 2.23 and having no luck with the custom PID. Vehicle is a 2000 GTP.

    PID.2332 doesnt return anything, leaving me with SENS.30 which seems to crash 2.23 and PID.11 which I can't get to return data that matches kPa measurements displayed by the MAP sensor in the scanner.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagle View Post
    I'm trying to get this working under 2.23 and having no luck with the custom PID. Vehicle is a 2000 GTP.

    PID.2332 doesnt return anything, leaving me with SENS.30 which seems to crash 2.23 and PID.11 which I can't get to return data that matches kPa measurements displayed by the MAP sensor in the scanner.

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    Thanks!
    Yeah its an issue with 2.23
    It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be done in two weeks...

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    Bummer. Any news on when the next release will be coming out?
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    I replaced the default Boost custom PID formula with the following ([PID.11]-105)/7 on v.2.23

    This should work for a 2 bar OS. Atleast it works for mine (only in boost). Disregard negative values under vacuum.
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    Excellent. I'll give that a try.
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