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    Thumbs up Ford Injector Calibration Data & Tuning Info

    Here's everything you need to calibrate in Ford and Ford Racing injectors for your Ford vehicle!

    Code:
    Part Number  Flow    Body Imped  Len Conn    Cal Data
    M-9593-C302  19 #/hr EV1  11-18  L   Jet/Min Link
    M-9593-LU24  24 #/hr EV6  11-18  L   USCAR   Link
    M-9593-A302  24 #/hr EV6  11-18  L   Jet/Min Link
    M-9593-AA302 24 #/hr EV6  11-18  L   Jet/Min Link
    M-9593-B302  30 #/hr EV6  11-18  L   Jet/Min Link
    M-9593-BB302 30 #/hr EV6  11-18  L   Jet/Min Link
    M-9593-MU32  32 #/hr EV14 11-12  M   USCAR   Link
    M-9593-LU34  34 #/hr EV6  11-12  L   USCAR   Link
    M-9593-M39   39 #/hr EV6  11-18  L   USCAR   Link
    M-9593-F302  42 #/hr EV1  11-18  L   Jet/Min Link
    M-9593-G302  47 #/hr EV14 11-18  M   USCAR   Link
    M-9593-LU60  60 #/hr EV6  11-12  L   USCAR   Link
    M-9593-LU80  80 #/hr EV6  11-12  L   USCAR   Link
    Keys:
    Flow = Flow Rate in lb/hr of injector at 39.15 psi
    Body = Body style of injector
    Imped = Ohms value
    Len = Length of injector (L = long, M = Medium)
    Conn = Connector style of injector (Jetronic is the old rectangle style conn, and USCAR is the new smaller square conn)
    Cal Data: Links you to the actual Ford Racing injector calibration data you will use to input into your tuning software (note, this data is for Ford vehicles, and will not work if you attempt to use with other non-Ford vehicles)

    Notes:
    M-9593-A302 and M-9593-B302 are the old "blue tops" and "red tops", respectively, that are not produced any longer.
    M-9593-LU60 and M-9593-LU80 are the Siemens (Continental) injector that Ford Racing offers. The LU80 is the original equipment used on the FR500CJ Mustang.
    M-9593-F302 is the original equipment on the '99-'04 SVT Lightning.
    M-9593-G302 is the original equipment on the '07-'10 GT500.
    M-9593-M39 is the original equipment on the '03-'04 SVT Cobra.
    M-9593-MU32 is the original equipment on the '05-'06 Ford GT40 (they had 16 total), and is the same injector Whipple uses in their '05-'09 Mustang GT supercharger kits (fuel pressure at WOT is raised to increase their output substantially).
    M-9593-LU24 is the original equipment on the '03-'04 Mach 1.

    Also, some of the data is listed differently between Ford Racing's and HPT's (and SCT's), therefore I am going to give you an example of how to input the data from the M-9593-LU60 into HPT (fwiw, you can copy/paste ALL of these values below to save on time). Once you input all these values properly, DO NOT TOUCH THEM EVER AGAIN! Trust me on this. The only thing you'll have to do for fueling is adjust the MAF transfer. Pay attention, and trust me on this.

    Furthermore, HPT is currently missing an important parameter. If you look at the Ford Racing (FRPP) calibration data I linked you to in the injector specs information at the top, you will see a parameter called "FNPW_BKCOMP" (SCT calls it "Fuel Inj Breakpoint Multiplier FordeltaP"). This is a "Multiplier to FUEL_BKPT as a function of injection pressure in psid". If/When HPT adds this in (and I have asked them to), I'm guessing they will label it as "Breakpoint Multiplier vs. Pressure".

    Siemens (Continental) 60# Injectors
    (data below is for use in HPT format)

    Flow Rate Low: 63.1872

    Flow Rate High: 60.26760

    Breakpoint: 0.0000336300
    Note: You will need the latest beta of HPT in order to input this value, otherwise 2.22x will round up the data in this parameter, and you do NOT want this to happen!

    PW Minimum: 0.94985963
    Note: Ford Racing's data will have you use 1.391. HPT's 2.23 Beta is currently only allowing for a max of 1.0. I've a bug report to HPT to fix this. HOWEVER, many of us tuners have found that 0.94985963 works better for these injectors you're using anyway, and that is why I listed such above.

    Pressure Drop Ref: 39.15

    For the next 3 parameters, you're going to have to click the (psi) label and modify the values as I have listed below.

    Flow Rate High Mult vs. Pressure:

    PSI
    Code:
    20.010
    30.020
    39.150
    50.030
    54.960
    60.030
    Mult
    Code:
    0.71700
    0.87470
    1.00000
    1.13220
    1.18480
    1.23830
    Flow Rate Low Mult vs. Pressure:

    PSI
    Code:
    20.010
    30.020
    39.150
    50.030
    54.960
    60.030
    Mult
    Code:
    0.71490
    0.87560
    1.00000
    1.10410
    1.18480
    1.23830
    Offset Mult vs. Pressure:

    PSI
    Code:
    20.010
    30.020
    39.150
    44.950
    50.030
    54.960
    60.030
    Mult
    Code:
    0.71490
    0.87560
    1.00000
    1.07690
    1.07910
    1.18480
    1.23830
    This next parameter you will not need to modify the voltages. I just listed them for others who may need the information in the future.

    Offset vs. Voltage:

    Volts
    Code:
    6.000
    7.000
    8.000
    9.000
    10.000
    11.000
    12.000
    13.000
    13.500
    14.000
    14.500
    15.000
    PW Offset
    Code:
    0.0025900
    0.0020155
    0.0014410
    0.0011810
    0.0009210
    0.0007580
    0.0006360
    0.0005180
    0.0004635
    0.0004090
    0.0003605
    0.0003120
    I hope this helps!

    *added by Bill@hptuners
    M-9593-MU52 52lb EV6 style injectors Cal summary
    Note
    M-9593-MU52 is the original equipment on 13-14 Ford Mustang GT500
    Last edited by Bill@HPTuners; 12-01-2017 at 10:40 AM.
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    very nice info. Thanks

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    There is an EV1 version of SD 60#. Greg's DVD has only the EV6 data. I assume the are the same injector internally but different shape connector?

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    Quote Originally Posted by muayyadf1 View Post
    There is an EV1 version of SD 60#. Greg's DVD has only the EV6 data. I assume the are the same injector internally but different shape connector?
    You're confusing the "body" of the injector with the "connector", which is common on the internet. There is EV6 version of that injector that has a connector in either Jetronic/Minitimer or USCAR (Jetronic is the old rectangle style conn, and USCAR is the new smaller square conn). Other than that, the internals of the injector 100% identical.

    There is also an SB (short body) of that injector, which is the exact same length as the factory GM LS7/LS3 injector. See here:

    http://www.racetronix.com/product/In...2_Brochure.pdf

    and

    http://www.racetronix.biz/itemdesc.a...114962&eq=&Tp=
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    Thanks, That all I needed. Can't thank you more.

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    I found that Roush uses a E85 Delphi injector in some of the RoushCharger
    kits. It is the 3rd one from the left in this picture.


    I found this to be a good source for Ford Racing Injectors
    http://www.re-racing.com/Air-Fuel-De...tors/sc272936/
    Last edited by AJxtcman; 08-14-2009 at 12:50 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJxtcman View Post
    I found this to be a good source for Ford Racing Injectors
    http://www.re-racing.com/Air-Fuel-De...tors/sc272936/
    Here's another that has even cheaper prices on the 42s, same price on the new 30s, and even still has the old "blue top" 24s in stock:

    http://www.buyfordracing.com/shop/index.php?cPath=9
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    I just recieved a call, customer wanting to tune an '07 GT with a Roush supercharger. It's the tuner kit with no tune included. I'm looking on the website and it says 52 lb./hr injectors. Do you guys have the specs on them? I don't see anything on Roush's site, and I told the customer, who said he's been in close contact with Roush, to call them up and get any information from them on the injectors he can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJxtcman View Post



    I found that Roush uses a E85 Delphi injector in some of the RoushCharger
    kits.
    Do you have any further information on them?

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    This is what I know.
    Roush used 38# injectors at some time
    The 07 Roush injectors are E85 compatible injectors. They are little black injectors. From what I could tell by a MAF xfer table they are about 24# injectors. Roush states they are 38# injectors.

    Theory behind this
    Injector tables loaded as 38#.
    The Roush loaded MAF xfer needed say 40% removed to get fuel trim in.

    Installed 60# injectors and tables.
    Returned the MAF back to the "Roush"
    fuel trim was +-5%

    Now everyone I show the injector to says what is that? That isn't the 38# injector I was thinking about!



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    RWTD put this information out for a reason. It is a key ingredient that can't be fudge in. You need to have all of the injector tables correct before you do anything.
    The car I was working on was at 2 Ford/Mustang shops. Both Dyno Tuners had then at 38# and the car had issues. The information that was given out may have been correct for an earlier setup. Roush in funny like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AJxtcman View Post
    This is what I know.
    Roush used 38# injectors at some time
    The 07 Roush injectors are E85 compatible injectors. They are little black injectors. From what I could tell by a MAF xfer table they are about 24# injectors. Roush states they are 38# injectors.

    Theory behind this
    Injector tables loaded as 38#.
    The Roush loaded MAF xfer needed say 40% removed to get fuel trim in.

    Installed 60# injectors and tables.
    Returned the MAF back to the "Roush"
    fuel trim was +-5%

    Now everyone I show the injector to says what is that? That isn't the 38# injector I was thinking about!



    .
    .

    RWTD put this information out for a reason. It is a key ingredient that can't be fudge in. You need to have all of the injector tables correct before you do anything.
    The car I was working on was at 2 Ford/Mustang shops. Both Dyno Tuners had then at 38# and the car had issues. The information that was given out may have been correct for an earlier setup. Roush in funny like that.
    Aye, this is my fear. I told the customer there's no point in tuning the car until we get the injector information. I can't find anything anywhere though. I e-mailed Roush, hopefully they'll give up that tidbit...

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    The GT500 injectors are sometimes referred to as 52# injectors, FYI. They may or may not be them.
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    Thanks, hopefully they'll reply back and this will be solved.../crosses fingers

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    Ok, it is NOT a GT500 injector. It looks identical to the E85 Delphi injector, so I'm thinking it may be a larger version. If Roush isn't helpful, I may have to have the customer take one out and search for some identification on the injector itself.

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    This is some information on it
    http://www.fnsweet.com/forums/05-09-...light=injector

    http://www.fnsweet.com/forums/603644-post93.html

    PM me if you want all of the information that I have on the injectors. I am talking about the information the I feel is incorrect, but it came from SCT.

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    See if Roush will sell the kit without that injector and then go with another.
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    I wish they would, but they only sell the kit with the injectors, and the customer has already installed it completely. My next concern is the kit reused the stock MAF, so I'm assuming an upgrade there will be necessary as well.

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    This is what I have for information

    This was the Original tune from the car at 3660 miles. It had been to a Dyno shop.


    This is from Tuner #2 local guy in the Milwaukee area. It is the same as above


    A forum Member sent me a tune and stated it was a Roush Stage 3. I have been told that it isn't, but the injector size lines up with my theory.



    Sorry for hijacking this thread James. Just putting out some info.

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    My question is, does that particular "stock tune" you're showing have the injector values for that particular injector?
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    From a tuning perspective, are the FRPP 80# (part no. M-9593-LU80) injectors identical to the Siemens Mototron 80# (part no. 110324) injectors?

    I.e. if you had Greg's DVD would the FRPP 80# injector settings work perfectly for the Siemens Mototron 80# injectors? Or would buying the FRPP 80# injectors (plus necessary harness adapters to make them work on a LS1) be necessary?