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    Flaring shifts after IFR Scale

    So Stummped,

    2010 SS Camaro
    LSX 427CI Big heads, Large dure lift cam with wide LSA
    Turbonetics Singe Turbo kit @ 13PSI
    Century Built 6L80
    ID850 injectors, An Fuel system, Double pumps
    3bar Zr1 MAP, HPT 2/3OS

    Not scaled
    Dynod great, cruises great,
    except for a minor and slight flare at light throttle
    Set the MAX TQ Timing to HO/LO spark tables +3
    then it shifted great

    Butt..
    if full trottled on the steet it hit REP Reduced Engine Power

    Scaled
    So I scaled the ID850s to prevent REP
    then this thing started flaring on every shift
    now it is sow lame shift like a butty slush box
    regaurdless of throttle position or power
    even at the smallet throttle opening it flares
    it would go to the Spark Min. - Reduced engine power Adv durring the flared shifts

    No matter what I do it shifts like a cream puff and flares
    a little at a time I have:
    set the Spark Min. - RED to 7*
    cranked the pressures up to 200 PSI everwere
    thurned off all TQ Managment
    played with MAX TQ timing
    Turned off all TCS
    Shortened up the shift time
    moved up the inetial factor profile

    I would think it would be hitting super hard?! WTF!~!
    Last edited by ProTools4; 04-19-2012 at 04:10 PM.
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    no_p0101_tbt010 Final
    is non scaled
    this is the tune fresh off the dyno ready for street test that had a slight flare

    still_flares
    is scaled X0.5 id850s
    I have done EVERYTHING I could try to get it to shift
    it wont even hit?
    this is mushy and flares every shift
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    Don't scale it.

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    DStech

    I cant belive that the P0068 threshold was left there.

    Setting it out of bounds and going back on the street w/ non scalled tune.
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    Has anyone here scaled a tune on 850cc or larger injectors with a 6L80 with good results?
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    You can flash the file I posted without incident. It's your file.

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    DStech,

    used the values you changed.
    Car has not poped the REP since.

    got a good chunk of the trans drivability worked out already.
    Not sure why the scale threw me out in left feild
    working with the full scale ID850 values the trans responds as expexted.
    Vs the scaled tune that does whatever it wants.
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    Glad it's working as intended for you.

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    Well after getting REP figued out
    and commiting to not scale the tune
    the Boosted LSX 5thgen 6L80 really came around

    took some doing to get it crisp


    so strange how it learns with the adaptive trans parameters
    first 2 shifts it learns and improves
    3rd shift on it works great.
    *if you have everythinhg dialed in


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    Darn Darn DArn

    REP is not gone

    extended WOT and it pope the messsage on the dash and the pedal goes away.

    Reset the code and back on the road.

    moving 2.+ Dynamic dyl air.
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    What codes? You may need to try a throttle body from a 2008 or earlier Corvette, or a GTO.

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    DStech,

    why would I need to change the throttle,

    info or point me at a link...anything
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    The LS3 throttle bodies have weak stepper motors. Sam88GTA1 had a thread about REP.

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    Did several searched on Sam88GTA1 and REP
    can not find any solid info on ECT selection pertaining to REP

    Flaring shifts have been ResolveD!
    REP is still a huge issue.
    This car moves a decent amount of air

    latest non scaled tune and attached
    Last edited by ProTools4; 04-20-2012 at 03:00 PM.
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    what dtc is setting that is putting you into REP?
    It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be done in two weeks...

    A wise man once said "google it"

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    When it sets off REP this code comes up.

    *P0606 PCM Internal Processor Fault (Symtom 00)
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    Been looking and looking at this tune
    At every little detail

    did a full compair-o of latest Tune vs the "As Deliverd" original calibration backup

    found one disturbing thing:

    Desired Throttle Area A Map A - Normal
    91% TPS had been changed to 100%

    I did not change this.

    The file did get altered by our trans shop for shift points...
    And I somtimes walk away from my booted and open laptop at lunch.

    Man I hope this is the issue!

    Today I also relabled the Spark Air Airmass X Axis to reflect a full 4.10 g/cly
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    Quote Originally Posted by ProTools4 View Post
    Been looking and looking at this tune
    At every little detail

    did a full compair-o of latest Tune vs the "As Deliverd" original calibration backup

    found one disturbing thing:

    Desired Throttle Area A Map A - Normal
    91% TPS had been changed to 100%

    I did not change this.

    The file did get altered by our trans shop for shift points...
    And I somtimes walk away from my booted and open laptop at lunch.

    Man I hope this is the issue!

    Today I also relabled the Spark Air Airmass X Axis to reflect a full 4.10 g/cly
    That'll do it. Code 0 is a position fault.