"The same as Injector Dynamics"

[DSteck]

http://www.injectordynamics.com/size14.html

Pretty good read about the claims regarding companies offering the same product as ID.

[edcmat-l1]

"No eye gouging, no strikes to the groin, no biting" LOL I love it

PS that stuff is only tolerated on YB. lmao!

On a serious note, that's pretty pathetic.

[DrLoch]

On a serious note, that's pretty pathetic.

Good read and I agree....

[Redline MS]

Oh boy..... Yaws on a rampage.......

Well done......no lets back to calibrating!

Howard

[smokestack]

Good read and very sad and true... Its hard to convince people not to pull all the wires and install a carb and ditch the 'BS'. Plus this forum does need cleaning up

[Fuel Injector Clinic]

Hey guys,

I just wanted to clarify this article is referencing Fuel Injector Connection and has no association with Fuel Injector Clinic.

Fuel Injector Clinic does all of their own development and testing in house. We have been around for a long time and take great pride in the quality of our products and our excellent customer service and support.

It is unfortunate that they chose a name so similar to ours and now more than ever I want to make sure there isn't any confusion!

If there are any questions at all please feel free to contact me at [email protected].

[Fuel Injector Clinic]

Correct, the FIC mentioned is Fuel Injector Connection. I'm tempted to ask Paul to clarify that.

Hey Dave,

That would be appreciated, thank you. Unfortunately it looks like this has stirred up some confusion from within the community so if we could help to keep things clear it would be nice. If you need anything on my end just let me know, and thanks again.

[LSxpwrdZ]

"I can only say that I have a better chance of banging Kate Beckinsale and her twin sister in the back of the presidential limo...."

I want in on that lol

[DSteck]

I think anybody does.

[zl1killer]

Good find. I would like to point out that apparently there are a few kinks, however, if you have a fuel pressure regulator MAP referenced, the IFR rate wouldn't matter, you just need the base flow rate, as is typical with using such large injectors.

also, as these are bosch injectors and as are IDs and these are very close to the part number(s) I would expect to see similar characteristics as I would hope that Bosch manufacturing for very similar injectors to be very similar. As far as resemblances to stock tables and etc, well I can't give feedback on that, I would like to see a third party comparison and data test on the injectors.

and for those that would like to know, I went to a third party for a quote on data testing. I would have thought it would have been around $1500 maybe $2000 total, but apparently there are costs and adders associated with this that I didn't know about. Asked for quote for testing 2 of each set of injectors I have. Lets just say that this won't be happening due to the cost unless I get some funding...lol. $3,9xx bucks for testing 2 sets of 2 injectors.

[DSteck]

You can't possibly be trying to defend them...

Oh wait, your name is on the spreadsheet history of falsely generated data. It all makes sense.

Using a referenced fuel pressure regulator has absolutely nothing to do with this.

[zl1killer]

You can't possibly be trying to defend them...

Oh wait, your name is on the spreadsheet history of falsely generated data. It all makes sense.

Using a referenced fuel pressure regulator has absolutely nothing to do with this.

apparently you and yaw don't communicate much, nor do you understand how excel works with regard to people opening files and saving them with modifications.

Quit the bullshit comments. My name is on that spreadsheet as I transposed the data for Jon and saved it and emailed it to him. Jon know understands how to transpose the data so I don't have to do it anymore.

Correct, the funny data has nothing to do with an FPR, however, if used with an FPR all you need is the base injector flow rate at 43.5psi and populate the IFR table. Bernoulli principle should apply and we should see it in the data, and we don't so there is something wrong there. Also, a purchase was made for ANOTHER piece of equipment so that the same tests can be done as with what Greg Banish is doing/capable of doing. We will soon see

[DSteck]

Bernoulli principle is close, but it's not 100% accurate.

There's no bullshit comments. You claw around trying to defend FIC. You wanted proof of the ripped off data. Well, here it is. It is pretty black and white.

[zl1killer]

Your bullshit comment was as follows:

Oh wait, your name is on the spreadsheet history of falsely generated data. It all makes sense.

I do not know the entire back story nor who did what when all of this first started, I don't care. As I have seen it, IDs data tables are all available for public download (was it this way years ago?) and unless he is tracking every single IP address & purchasers that downloaded them way back to when this whole crap got started we can't prove exactly who started sharing without going to every single person and not having anyone lie.
Publicly available here:http://www.injectordynamics.com/ApplicationData.html

What I want out of this is do we have two vendors that can provide data? Seeing some mistakes are clear and there needs to be some revising at this point and verification of data if the vendor does have the equipment to provide such. Regarding similarities to other injectors and etc, I would expect to see some if the injectors are of similar part number and make, but some I wouldn't when comparing to other stock files & etc.

[DSteck]

So did you transpose it wrong then? That's a pretty blatant error on the fuel flow that should NOT be there if it was generated by somebody who knew what they were doing.

The facts are obvious. It is incredibly black and white. That's all there is to it. I'm done witcha.

[zl1killer]

no didn't transpose it wrong. did you see it all unfold from the beginning? did you see the first person to ever get IDs data? how do you know that specifically FIC got that data and was the very first to pass it around?

it is very easy to point a finger at someone.

[DSteck]

Spreadsheet is too big to attach.



Now I'm done.

[zl1killer]

you are misunderstanding my statements.

did you see it all unfold from the beginning? did you see the first person to ever get IDs data?

[zl1killer]

and here is some info for ya also:

Here's the link where the data came from. Fact. http://mickstuning.blogspot.com/

Why doesn't FIC give out ford data, because this is all that was on this link.

Also the 1000cc FIC and ID both use the identical injector pn 0280158117
The 2000 both use 0280158821
The 850 both use 0280158051.

Still, no one has shown me a flow bench of ID. Just that pre-flowing break in bench.

[DSteck]

Posted well after ID originated the data. Further, the files don't even exist. I don't see what something from June of 2011 has to do since ID's files have existed since well before then.

Just because companies use the same core does not mean the end result is the same. Do you understand why the data is so different than the unmodified injector? Do you understand how they get matched?

It's clear that this data shown in the article was "generated" by copying and pasting existing data, either from Injector Dynamics, or a factory tune, and then applying a multiplier that masks its true identity.

Deceitful? You bet.