unlimitted credits

[v8s10s]

Should'nt I have it by now on the silverado/sierra? just bought 2 more credits today not showing. 36 credits total.

Single Vehicles:
1LA0BB4Z3279 - Chevy Silverado (V8) 2004
140103491092 - Chevy Avalanche (V8) 2002
86YLDJM070814Y1M - Chevy Trailblazer (V8) 2005
7NHF4023 - Pontiac GTO (V8) 2004
2EB2S9KK2058 - GM Firebird/Camaro (V8) 2002
86YLBJM143081EGJ - Chevy SSR (V8) 2005
2EB378MD2156 - Chevy Silverado (V8) 2002
86YLDJK080244PXN - Chevy SSR (V8) 2005
1EB0ZQ2H1026 - Chevy Silverado (V8) 2001
1EB1JV2L1145 - Chevy Silverado (V8) 2001
1EB1NCU61165 - Chevy Silverado (V8)
20012EB2BMHK1324 -Chevy Silverado (V8) 2002
2EB3BVPF2227 - GM Firebird/Camaro (V8) 2002
1DG0EP0A9137 - Chevy Silverado (V8) 1999
1DG01K3C8258 - GMC Sierra (V8) 1999
1DG0V66Z9356 - Chevy Silverado (V8) 2000
1DG0SL8A9313 - Chevy Silverado (V8) 2000
1DG0CXAX9105 - Chevy Silverado (V8) 1999
2EB38GZE2156 - Chevy Silverado (V8) 2002
1DG0F0N79141 - GMC Sierra (V8) 1999
1DG0CRML9110 - Chevy Silverado (V8) 1999
1DG0MLMW9238 - GMC Sierra (V8) 2000
070002773151 - Chevy Suburban (V8) 2003

[v8s10s]

All these credits for ls1 based trucks and only 1 credit towards unlimitted?

[Bill@HPTuners]

You could likely upgrade to the 00, 01 or 02 silverado year/model licenses pretty cheap.

[v8s10s]

Should'nt all 99-02 truck pcms count together since they will all interchange? My problem is doing conversions for people . I guess I have to only use one year model for all the swaps. I would think 36 single truck credits would all go toward ls1 based trucks. No matter what year.

[Bill@HPTuners]

No they do not. The upgrade credit system is explained & outlined in the help file www.hptuners.com/help

[v8s10s]

From what I see I should have more than 1 credit towards the ls1 based truck group. An ls1 based truck group to me is 99-06 Silverado,Sierra,SSR and maybe a trailblazer. It does not say year/model group. Maybe I need to see it on paper how this works in my situation.And why are credits required different from vehicle to vehicle even though they only require 2 credits to program? Ex. 2000 Sierra 5, 2000 silverado 3 ? Shouldn't they all be 2 ? Very confusing !

[v8s10s]

If it's year/ model then should it not be broken down to 1500 and 2500 models since they are more different than two 1500 silverados a year apart? 5.3 and 6.0 have different programs!

[v8s10s]

To me it would be be easier to understand if it we simply buy 30 or what ever number is the threshold for unlimited credits and then choose which make/model best suits my situation . I may own corvettes but program a lot of trucks and want the unlimited for the corvettes. If someone programs a little of everything , they will never get unlimited credits on anything. Unless they want to spend a lot of money up front in hopes of getting it back.

[v8s10s]

Am I they only one who is confused on this process?

[Bill@HPTuners]

From what I see I should have more than 1 credit towards the ls1 based truck group. An ls1 based truck group to me is 99-06 Silverado,Sierra,SSR and maybe a trailblazer. It does not say year/model group. Maybe I need to see it on paper how this works in my situation.And why are credits required different from vehicle to vehicle even though they only require 2 credits to program? Ex. 2000 Sierra 5, 2000 silverado 3 ? Shouldn't they all be 2 ? Very confusing !

Explained thoroughly in our help file here http://www.hptuners.com/help/vcm_edi...credit_faq.htm

[Bill@HPTuners]

If it's year/ model then should it not be broken down to 1500 and 2500 models since they are more different than two 1500 silverados a year apart? 5.3 and 6.0 have different programs!

No idea what this means.

a year/model license is for that year/model of vehicle for instance 2002 Silverado/Sierra license is 6 credits, that would allow you to tune an unlimited amount of 2002 Silverado's and Sierra's. Don't overcomplicate it if you don't have to

[Bill@HPTuners]

To me it would be be easier to understand if it we simply buy 30 or what ever number is the threshold for unlimited credits and then choose which make/model best suits my situation . I may own corvettes but program a lot of trucks and want the unlimited for the corvettes. If someone programs a little of everything , they will never get unlimited credits on anything. Unless they want to spend a lot of money up front in hopes of getting it back.

Plan our your licenses ahead of time then. You can buy as many credits as you want, what you do with them is up to you, we have no say in that.

[EagleMark]

Am I they only one who is confused on this process?

Nope your not alone!

Explained thoroughly in our help file here http://www.hptuners.com/help/vcm_edi...credit_faq.htm

Sorry but that made my head hurt, it even had flow charts...

No idea what this means.

a year/model license is for that year/model of vehicle for instance 2002 Silverado/Sierra license is 6 credits, that would allow you to tune an unlimited amount of 2002 Silverado's and Sierra's. Don't overcomplicate it if you don't have to

How does this work on conversion?

Like 96 to 00 Vortec trucks are common to get a PCM upgrade.

If you start with a PCM from:
99-07 Chevy Silverado / GMC Sierra 4.8, 5.3, 5.7, 6.0, 8.1
or any 0411 PCM...

Which would use a calibration from:
01-07 Chevy Express / GMC Savana 4.8, 5.3, 5.7, 6.0, 8.1

Then VIN would need to be corrected for vehicle it is going into?

How many credits are needed for one vehicle? How many for Year/Model? You'd only be using the:
01-07 Chevy Express / GMC Savana 4.8, 5.3, 5.7, 6.0, 8.1

But it could go into 1000 differant vehicles, some not even in supported vehicle list to buy credits for?

Don't overcomplicate it if you don't have to

OK! Simplify me!

[Bill@HPTuners]

2 credits for a single vcm license.

If you are talking about swapping file after file into a pcm until you find one that works you'll want to opt for the year/model or unlimited vcm license.

[EagleMark]

No, I know what works. Just trying to understand the rules of software to credits and how the VIN comes into play since I need to start with a calibration for 2002 Chevy van, in a PCM from? But the end result needs to be a VIN of vehicle it goes into.

Same scenario for engine transplants. Usually engine and PCM going into? Can the PCM be changed to vehicle it's going into? Some are not even supported by HP...

[Bill@HPTuners]

Vin needs to be valid according to GM, thats mainly where it comes into play. ie you cannot pair a 1997 GMC truck vin with a 2005 Chevy Truck pcm, our software will tell you theres a vin/os pair mismatch.

[EagleMark]

Hmmm.. major issue for me! You should fix that to a warning and click box for OK.

It may be something propritary for the credits or? Even if I could change VIN in HP there would be so many differant ones I'd never hit unlimited this way... I think thtat is what's happening to V8S10s

Most of the rigs I do are transplants, off road and street rod. Nothing is ever easy.

Does the scan end of HP software use the VIN?

[Bill@HPTuners]

The scanner doesn't care much about the vin number and no credits are used to scan a vehicle.

You can even read the binary off any pcm without using credits, the only time you'll use credits is when flashing to the pcm.

The major issue is that if our software sees, for instance, a 2002 Silverado vin paired with a 2000 Silverado pcm/operating system our software doesn't know how to license it, does it license it as a 2002 or does it license it as a 2000, so just having a warning doesn't do much other than break our licensing structure.

[ScarabEpic22]

The major issue is that if our software sees, for instance, a 2002 Silverado vin paired with a 2000 Silverado pcm/operating system our software doesn't know how to license it, does it license it as a 2002 or does it license it as a 2000, so just having a warning doesn't do much other than break our licensing structure.

Crap, I was hoping I could use HPT to full flash a bunch of P10 PCMs I have to the latest 05 OS and just buy an unlimited vehicle year for that. I understand why the licensing is how it is, just frustrating when I have no intention and wont ever use the 02 or 03 OS that I have to license. Oh well, life goes on.

[Bill@HPTuners]

Yeah thats another reason for having it the way it is, people could just buy a single vcm license(2 credits) and then flash virtually any year of that pcm without having to use any additional credits, not good from a business standpoint ie if we want to stay in business thats not a good idea.