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    Quote Originally Posted by CCS86 View Post
    Some strategies are a better fit than others, depending on your build. I really think you guys should invest in revising the licensing strategy.

    I think it's wrong to keep charging someone who wants to flash different tunes to the same car. You obviously need to take care of your interests for commercial use, but that will always involve multiple VINs. It's just stifling the tuning spirit by charging credits repeatedly on the same car. If you try a strategy and it's a total failure, or incompatible, you've burned credits for nothing. How is that justifiable?
    Agreed completely! In my case especially i wanted the Ford Power Pack 2 strategy for its OEM drive-ability and great reviews, but its not available for non-US vehicles, so my only choice was HP Tuners and the repository, or custom tune.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DB83 View Post
    Kind of defeats the point of the repository, and in some respects, the affordability and flexibility of HPTuners. I'm sure its written in the small print somewhere, but honestly, had it been clearer to me in the beginning i wouldn't have gone the HPTuners route and would have just got a custom tune.
    I'm not saying give it away for free of course, but 6 credits is a bit much!
    The point of the repository was NEVER to slap joe shmoes tune into your car, unless you like bricked ecm's alot.
    It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be done in two weeks...

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    I get that. I doubt very much anyone here would! I would take it more of a place for people to share their findings with what works and what doesn't, or at very least somewhere for someone to start. Either way, the original appeal of HP Tuners to me was the flexibility and affordability.

    Anyway, this isn't supposed to be an attack on you, just simply raising a point that i feel could be addressed in some way. I'm happy to pay, i just feel $300 just in credits to upload someone's strategy is maybe a bit much.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill@HPTuners View Post
    The point of the repository was NEVER to slap joe shmoes tune into your car, unless you like bricked ecm's alot.

    That seems a little extreme.

    Unless you are trying to flash incompatible architecture, say a 2015 tune onto a 2012 ECU, what's the risk?

    I have had 3 different strategies on my 2012

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    Quote Originally Posted by CCS86 View Post
    That seems a little extreme.

    Unless you are trying to flash incompatible architecture, say a 2015 tune onto a 2012 ECU, what's the risk?

    I have had 3 different strategies on my 2012
    Not just talking fords, GM's you could flash an incompatible E38 file to a different E38 ecm and brick it. I'm sure they aren't the only one. But that's really neither here nor there, its just one of many reasons not to flash files from the repository.
    It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be done in two weeks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill@HPTuners View Post
    Not just talking fords, GM's you could flash an incompatible E38 file to a different E38 ecm and brick it. I'm sure they aren't the only one. But that's really neither here nor there, its just one of many reasons not to flash files from the repository.

    Right, but we are in the Ford tuning section, and it seems to be less of an issue on these Copperheads. I certainly don't know all the ins and outs. Just working from my own experience of successful strategy changes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill@HPTuners View Post
    Not just talking fords, GM's you could flash an incompatible E38 file to a different E38 ecm and brick it. I'm sure they aren't the only one.
    But that's really neither here nor there, its just one of many reasons not to flash files from the repository.
    Is GM favoured at HPT HQ? I mean in GM you can OS swap, segment swap and do other cool shit and it doesn't' cost 6 credits.

    I mean I'm cool as a cucumber as I prefer to work on my own and I believe you can do your job with every OS out there but man, 6 credits is a lot to ask.
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    I dont think its favoritism. It looks like GM has more ways to lock a license to a vehicle. I feel a function could be created specifically for a strategy swap to be done all at once and only license the vehicle after the function is over this way anti-abuse measures could still be taken. One might think there isnt much incentive because we pay so much now however that's probably not the case because it's that high price preventing many from doing it in the first place.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veeefour View Post
    Is GM favoured at HPT HQ? I mean in GM you can OS swap, segment swap and do other cool shit and it doesn't' cost 6 credits.

    I mean I'm cool as a cucumber as I prefer to work on my own and I believe you can do your job with every OS out there but man, 6 credits is a lot to ask.
    Still costs 6 credits to throw a repository file into a GM vehicle...

    Additionally not all GM's can utilize the segment swapper, only segmented applications. I believe ford uses a single segment structure in their coding similar to the GM applications that can't use the segment swapper. Has absolutely nothing to do with favoritism.

    In fact, GM is locking down their ecm's tighter than every other market so the fact is we'll probably be favoring other markets MORE than GM for the foreseeable future because of this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blackbolt22 View Post
    I dont think its favoritism. It looks like GM has more ways to lock a license to a vehicle. I feel a function could be created specifically for a strategy swap to be done all at once and only license the vehicle after the function is over this way anti-abuse measures could still be taken. One might think there isnt much incentive because we pay so much now however that's probably not the case because it's that high price preventing many from doing it in the first place.
    GM just does it differently.

    For instance in NA C6 corvettes they use an E38 ecm. In the supercharged C6 corvettes they used a E67 ecm to compensate. Ford simply does things differently, similarly to single segment GM applications of the 90's and early 2000's to where they write a million different operating systems instead of 1 operating system and simply change the calibration lol. I don't understand the logic behind what they do exactly but it is what it is and we work with what we are given to the best of our engineering abilities.
    It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be done in two weeks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill@HPTuners View Post

    In fact, GM is locking down their ecm's tighter than every other market so the fact is we'll probably be favoring other markets MORE than GM for the foreseeable future because of this.
    Is Ford doing something similar? I remember reading an article about 2018 Mustangs possibly having no ability to tune and then saw the article saying HPT cracked the code lol. Whew. If there is anything that is a huge turn off it's the lack of ability to modify a muscle car. We want to go faster and in order to go faster we mod. We have to tune those mods.

    Just hearing this news about GMs means I will never ever buy one...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill@HPTuners View Post
    Still costs 6 credits to throw a repository file into a GM vehicle...

    Additionally not all GM's can utilize the segment swapper, only segmented applications. I believe ford uses a single segment structure in their coding similar to the GM applications that can't use the segment swapper. Has absolutely nothing to do with favoritism.

    In fact, GM is locking down their ecm's tighter than every other market so the fact is we'll probably be favoring other markets MORE than GM for the foreseeable future because of this.
    Understood.

    But on the other hand some "mass tuners" like Lund can do whatever they want - and you are fine with that(not sure what kind of deal you guys have and don't care).
    All they have is one or two unique OS's (which you guys agreed not to open) in many different PCM's and it works - works for some but not for everyone...

    But hey ho, I'm not the one making the rules. I just wonder what did Whipple did to you that Lund didn't? Whipple tunes are open, others aren't?


    Quote Originally Posted by blackbolt22 View Post
    Is Ford doing something similar? I remember reading an article about 2018 Mustangs possibly having no ability to tune and then saw the article saying HPT cracked the code lol. Whew. If there is anything that is a huge turn off it's the lack of ability to modify a muscle car. We want to go faster and in order to go faster we mod. We have to tune those mods.

    Just hearing this news about GMs means I will never ever buy one...
    Ford changed the ECU from Siemens/Continental to Bosch somewhere in 2016 - not sure who claimed it will be locked but at the end of the day it wasn't. IMHO it was never locked by any means.

    Some manufacturers removing the READ terminals form ECU socket(or some other type of block-fu) hence the need for one time modification or Virtual Tuning.
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