knock sensors pull too much timing 12 degrees

[aljuhani392]

Hi guy
2014 v6 3.6 dodge charger
The car pull too much timing
I cant find the problem, something wired with it

The car with stock timing (87 octane)
Pull about 12 degrees retard
I feel like driving 60cc scooter

-changed engine & transmission mounts
-checked wiring harness
-changed exhaust couple times
-nothing hitting engine or frame
-Changed back to stock air intake
No help



Couple years the car was tuned with 91 octane with cai and off-road mid pipes
Performance with stock hemi's
Now today I just want drive a car not 60cc scooter.

The only mod on the car now afe cold air intake with off-road mid pipes
I Fill it with 91 octane with octane booster no help.
Some times the problem gone for maybe days minutes
And always back on..

Now almost 1 year with the problem
Yesterday I changed the oil and it seems to be fixed performance back to stock
Couple pulls back to the same problem.

I don?t hear detonation.
Here logs of the problem
Sorry for my English

[bigredtruck]

What's up with your charge air temp? 132 degrees seems high to me, not sure if the computer would pull timing because of the heat but that can't help.

[aljuhani392]

What's up with your charge air temp? 132 degrees seems high to me, not sure if the computer would pull timing because of the heat but that can't help.

its high due the summer session in my country
but in winter more colder around 60 F but no luck still retard timing
my brother have the same car its never pulled timing with 87 octane with higher intake temps (stock air intake) imagine with 91 octane it will take couple degrees with no problem at all
my car with stock tune with 91 octane + octane booster still retard timing
you can see knock sensors voltage it seems way more higher numbers

[xFnLwoLF]

Disable KR

[Kmoney]

plugged cats....

[FstdodgeKY]

Just a idea have you checked the plugs??? Might start with that if you havent changed them since you owned it. I would also check all of the ignition components, Sounds like a intermittent issue which would led me to believe its a plug, wire, or coil not firing right or not enough spark which tends to load a cylinder with fuel and air. All of this creates more heat and uncontrolled burn AKA knock. Just my opinion