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    rich at idle / SD

    What could cause me to be rich at idle 14.63 is commanded but I'm seeing 12.0 ish on the wideband even as I lean out the VE table

    2001 Camaro Z28 maf deleted 92 m throttle body emissions deleted stock LS1
    '12 Caprice PPV 6.0 L77 - daily transportation
    8.7 @ 84 (1/8 mile) bolt-ons

    '02 Silverado RCSB 5.3 L59 - regularly street driven
    8.2 @ 86 (1/8 mile) stock cam and spray
    8.6 @ 84 (1/8 mile) cam and heads no spray

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    Stock injectors?
    2016 Silverado CCSB 5.3/6L80e, not as slow but still heavy.

    If you don't post your tune and logs when you have questions you aren't helping yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5FDP View Post
    Stock injectors?
    N0 42lb
    '12 Caprice PPV 6.0 L77 - daily transportation
    8.7 @ 84 (1/8 mile) bolt-ons

    '02 Silverado RCSB 5.3 L59 - regularly street driven
    8.2 @ 86 (1/8 mile) stock cam and spray
    8.6 @ 84 (1/8 mile) cam and heads no spray

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    Data log this morning. The injectors are pretty much dialed in to the manufacturers specs and the car runs well otherwise
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    '12 Caprice PPV 6.0 L77 - daily transportation
    8.7 @ 84 (1/8 mile) bolt-ons

    '02 Silverado RCSB 5.3 L59 - regularly street driven
    8.2 @ 86 (1/8 mile) stock cam and spray
    8.6 @ 84 (1/8 mile) cam and heads no spray

    Our YOUTUBE CHANNEL featuring the Silverado

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    Post the file please.
    2016 Silverado CCSB 5.3/6L80e, not as slow but still heavy.

    If you don't post your tune and logs when you have questions you aren't helping yourself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5FDP View Post
    Post the file please.
    Yes sir I think I did let me know if you need something different or better. Thank you for looking
    '12 Caprice PPV 6.0 L77 - daily transportation
    8.7 @ 84 (1/8 mile) bolt-ons

    '02 Silverado RCSB 5.3 L59 - regularly street driven
    8.2 @ 86 (1/8 mile) stock cam and spray
    8.6 @ 84 (1/8 mile) cam and heads no spray

    Our YOUTUBE CHANNEL featuring the Silverado

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    That was the log, I want to see the tune itself.

    I was going to suggest cutting the min fuel milligrams under the transient fuel tab in half. Often larger injectors will require that number to be dropped. I think stock on many calibrations is like .0410 or something like that.
    2016 Silverado CCSB 5.3/6L80e, not as slow but still heavy.

    If you don't post your tune and logs when you have questions you aren't helping yourself.

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    5FDP mine are 36 i cut my mg to .031 or somthing from .040 and it was much better. He might benefit from this hp 12.0 is a big difference.
    Also does he have the right data
    1997 30th SS. Torqhead 24x, TFS heads, 223/235 cam, 4l80e, S60 D1SC 14psi

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    Thanks guys, will post tune this afternoon. I experimented with that before, however mixed results as it did in fact lean out the idle beautiful but caused lean knocking somehow in off idle areas. I am more than willing to revisit and learn, and do it better
    '12 Caprice PPV 6.0 L77 - daily transportation
    8.7 @ 84 (1/8 mile) bolt-ons

    '02 Silverado RCSB 5.3 L59 - regularly street driven
    8.2 @ 86 (1/8 mile) stock cam and spray
    8.6 @ 84 (1/8 mile) cam and heads no spray

    Our YOUTUBE CHANNEL featuring the Silverado

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    Here is my current
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    '12 Caprice PPV 6.0 L77 - daily transportation
    8.7 @ 84 (1/8 mile) bolt-ons

    '02 Silverado RCSB 5.3 L59 - regularly street driven
    8.2 @ 86 (1/8 mile) stock cam and spray
    8.6 @ 84 (1/8 mile) cam and heads no spray

    Our YOUTUBE CHANNEL featuring the Silverado

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    Which 42lb injector out of curiosity
    1997 30th SS. Torqhead 24x, TFS heads, 223/235 cam, 4l80e, S60 D1SC 14psi

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    You have not failed the MAF correctly

    Airflow > Dynamic > high rpm disable > set to 8000
    Engine Diagnostics > airflow > MAF Freq fail > set to 0 or 1

    Get rid of your MAF channels and add injector pulsewidths

    Why is your throttle voltage .06?
    Last edited by anniversaryss; 07-25-2019 at 05:33 PM.
    1997 30th SS. Torqhead 24x, TFS heads, 223/235 cam, 4l80e, S60 D1SC 14psi

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    Quote Originally Posted by anniversaryss View Post
    Which 42lb injector out of curiosity
    Bosch green giants
    '12 Caprice PPV 6.0 L77 - daily transportation
    8.7 @ 84 (1/8 mile) bolt-ons

    '02 Silverado RCSB 5.3 L59 - regularly street driven
    8.2 @ 86 (1/8 mile) stock cam and spray
    8.6 @ 84 (1/8 mile) cam and heads no spray

    Our YOUTUBE CHANNEL featuring the Silverado

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    Quote Originally Posted by anniversaryss View Post
    You have not failed the MAF correctly

    Airflow > Dynamic > high rpm disable > set to 8000
    Engine Diagnostics > airflow > MAF Freq fail > set to 0 or 1

    Get rid of your MAF channels and add injector pulsewidths

    Why is your throttle voltage .06?
    Thank you, will do right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am running a 92 mm throttle body with an adaptor to stock LS6 intake and I had to rape both the IAC and the TP to fit...
    '12 Caprice PPV 6.0 L77 - daily transportation
    8.7 @ 84 (1/8 mile) bolt-ons

    '02 Silverado RCSB 5.3 L59 - regularly street driven
    8.2 @ 86 (1/8 mile) stock cam and spray
    8.6 @ 84 (1/8 mile) cam and heads no spray

    Our YOUTUBE CHANNEL featuring the Silverado

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    I will humbly and gratefully listen and follow any good advice. Throttle hangs until I stab it to return to idle. Mileage is good 20 mpg around town. I race on the 2nd. I have a 9 inch with 4.56 gears and Racetronix 340 pump. Thank you again
    '12 Caprice PPV 6.0 L77 - daily transportation
    8.7 @ 84 (1/8 mile) bolt-ons

    '02 Silverado RCSB 5.3 L59 - regularly street driven
    8.2 @ 86 (1/8 mile) stock cam and spray
    8.6 @ 84 (1/8 mile) cam and heads no spray

    Our YOUTUBE CHANNEL featuring the Silverado

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boost View Post
    Thank you, will do right now!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    I am running a 92 mm throttle body with an adaptor to stock LS6 intake and I had to rape both the IAC and the TP to fit...
    Not 100% sure.on ls1 but the tps should be around .5 to .6 or something not .06
    1997 30th SS. Torqhead 24x, TFS heads, 223/235 cam, 4l80e, S60 D1SC 14psi

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    Also noticed your injector data is different than the Ford to GM conversion data i have. I could share it with you later on.
    1997 30th SS. Torqhead 24x, TFS heads, 223/235 cam, 4l80e, S60 D1SC 14psi

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    good morning everyone. updates on this issue. First of all here is the new tune I uploaded based on your recommendations
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    '12 Caprice PPV 6.0 L77 - daily transportation
    8.7 @ 84 (1/8 mile) bolt-ons

    '02 Silverado RCSB 5.3 L59 - regularly street driven
    8.2 @ 86 (1/8 mile) stock cam and spray
    8.6 @ 84 (1/8 mile) cam and heads no spray

    Our YOUTUBE CHANNEL featuring the Silverado

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    Observations:

    Idle mixture did lean out a tad. I cut the min transient from .041 to .030 or whatnot and at first it seemed to move a half a point in the correct direction. But eventually realized it still settles at 12.2 so I may want to cut it all the way in half meaning .020 or whatnot if it doesn't affect anything else
    '12 Caprice PPV 6.0 L77 - daily transportation
    8.7 @ 84 (1/8 mile) bolt-ons

    '02 Silverado RCSB 5.3 L59 - regularly street driven
    8.2 @ 86 (1/8 mile) stock cam and spray
    8.6 @ 84 (1/8 mile) cam and heads no spray

    Our YOUTUBE CHANNEL featuring the Silverado

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    Also, the throttle is less likely to hang when it's supposed to idle, it did it only 1 single time in the entire test drive home from work last night and to work this morning. However I still think this may be a mechanical issue meaning the throttle plate or cable or something with the sensors in the throttle body
    '12 Caprice PPV 6.0 L77 - daily transportation
    8.7 @ 84 (1/8 mile) bolt-ons

    '02 Silverado RCSB 5.3 L59 - regularly street driven
    8.2 @ 86 (1/8 mile) stock cam and spray
    8.6 @ 84 (1/8 mile) cam and heads no spray

    Our YOUTUBE CHANNEL featuring the Silverado