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    when done right you should have a pic like the one I sent.
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    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
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    Mercy I did it! Please have a look before I flash.

    2013 Charger RT via conan_300.hpt
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    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
    Mercy I did it! Please have a look before I flash.

    2013 Charger RT via conan_300.hpt
    go into pe and do the same
    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp

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    emailed you a file for logging. open in scanner and see if it works.
    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp

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    Got the layout, thanks.

    There is a single cell that will not change in both Aircharge and PRatio. They are next to the last on the right. Flash?

    2013 Charger RT via conan_300.hpt
    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
    Got the layout, thanks.

    There is a single cell that will not change in both Aircharge and PRatio. They are next to the last on the right. Flash?

    2013 Charger RT via conan_300.hpt
    should be close enough
    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp

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    Not much change, started up rough, but does not buck if I try to run it a little, but must be in limp mode. I can move the throttle a long ways and not get much.

    Still have the ETC flashing warning, engine light and both traction control icons.
    I may have a ETC problem. I did rotate it 90? like shown in the instruction pics, not sure if it will mount upright as OE.

    I failed to tell you the Bank 1 & 2 lean DTC's was from the cheap-o hose the catch can came with popped off.

    I fumbled the laptop in the car and screwed up the layout display.

    eforce_scan.hpl

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    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    We have the tune dialed as shipped by Edelbrock between our HPTuners programs. I did rag the TB out with Carb cleaner and may have screwed it up. I didn't spray it but letting a bud of mine over here watching the Danny Garcia Fight, ride along says its exactly like a failed TB. Lousy boxing match.

    I'm gonna replace it. Lets halt until then. Too bad you don't live close, I would mow your law this summer for all the help.
    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
    We have the tune dialed as shipped by Edelbrock between our HPTuners programs. I did rag the TB out with Carb cleaner and may have screwed it up. I didn't spray it but letting a bud of mine over here watching the Danny Garcia Fight, ride along says its exactly like a failed TB. Lousy boxing match.

    I'm gonna replace it. Lets halt until then. Too bad you don't live close, I would mow your law this summer for all the help.
    Try doing a relearn again, you using the scanner to do it?

    barometric pressure??
    A symptom commonly associated with a problematic barometric pressure sensor is a poorly performing engine. If the BAP sensor malfunctions, it can send an incorrect signal to the computer which may have a negative effect on engine performance. The reading from the BAP sensor helps to determine fuel and timing conditions, so if the signal is compromised for any reason, then the computer calculations will be thrown off. This may result in sluggish acceleration, lack of power, and misfires in more severe cases.

    check wiring on map sensor, Was one included with the E-force?

    Are you in the landscape business?
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    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp

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    Good Morning,

    With two traction control lights and the ETC code I tried several times (and after every flash) using the scanner to relearn the ETC and came up with "it the function cannot operate" (not the exact words) the same for enabling and disabling traction control.

    I was gloved up and using a soaked rag cleaning the TB and was handling it perhaps more than it liked with me working the plate to-and-fro too much. I'm told it don't take much of that or chemicals to screw one up.
    With the ETC light being as stubborn as it is I'm going to toss another TB at it.

    Finding the IAT extension harness with a pin pushed in I also removed, inspected, and checked continuity of the MAP extension harness and its good. I don't know how to test the sensor.

    Heh- No, I'm an industrial maintenance multi-craft tech, mechanical, machinist, hi-speed production equipment repair and maintenance. Semi-retired my career spanned Coca-Cola, Strohs, Anheuser-Busch (retired), now @Southern Tea Co. The largest tea bag mfg worldwide its still a small company. I fill a niche at the company covering the lines and doing small repairs and fab jobs. Most of their line mechanics have limited shop skills.

    I was just expressing my appreciation for your help.

    Below is a pic of my shop there. A little limited to the basic tooling if there is a little something I can do for you with it let me know.

    the_shop.jpg
    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
    Good Morning,

    With two traction control lights and the ETC code I tried several times (and after every flash) using the scanner to relearn the ETC and came up with "it the function cannot operate" (not the exact words) the same for enabling and disabling traction control.

    I was gloved up and using a soaked rag cleaning the TB and was handling it perhaps more than it liked with me working the plate to-and-fro too much. I'm told it don't take much of that or chemicals to screw one up.
    With the ETC light being as stubborn as it is I'm going to toss another TB at it.

    Finding the IAT extension harness with a pin pushed in I also removed, inspected, and checked continuity of the MAP extension harness and its good. I don't know how to test the sensor.

    Heh- No, I'm an industrial maintenance multi-craft tech, mechanical, machinist, hi-speed production equipment repair and maintenance. Semi-retired my career spanned Coca-Cola, Strohs, Anheuser-Busch (retired), now @Southern Tea Co. The largest tea bag mfg worldwide its still a small company. I fill a niche at the company covering the lines and doing small repairs and fab jobs. Most of their line mechanics have limited shop skills.

    I was just expressing my appreciation for your help.

    Below is a pic of my shop there. A little limited to the basic tooling if there is a little something I can do for you with it let me know.

    the_shop.jpg
    Too bad I'm not closer, have an extra TB around. Believe the traction control stuff will go away once you get on road, wouldn't worry about that now. I'm retired Mil. 25 yrs., work in a small eng shop for mad money, modding costs a lot. Nice to have access to a shop like that.
    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp

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    Copy. Just for chances sake and if the TB swap is a fail, I'm going to post a request for a 2013 Charger E-Force Tune.
    There could be an ECM FW difference going on.

    I am also try my factory & dyno tune calibrations @idle just to see if the codes go away. I'm hoping the TB is it.
    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    An OE TB just ordered. I'm looking for Wed -Thurs thru Steve White Motors. Their parts dept gets lots of good press and I agree.
    Their online $$ matches their parts counterman on the phone also. Under 180.00 Delivered. 53034251AD
    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Tracker says TB here tomorrow. I'll be too busy to slap it on. Maybe late night tomorrow.
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    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Well it got here and its on but it was not the problem. Same thing. The ETC light is flashing.
    I even flashed the factory tune to see if anything changed and nothing.

    I did manage to get HPT to do a couple throttle relearns and the ETC light was delayed the 1st restart but it persists.

    I'm posting a scan I made today after re-flashing the calibration you gave me. It drove better, no spitting or abrupt happenings, just neutered like, moving the throttle a lot does little.

    And some DTC screen shots.

    The Bank 1 & 2 too lean is from when cheap-o hoses that came with the catch can pushed off a long time ago.

    dtc_after_new_tb_ride.JPG
    dtc_after_new_tb_ride_02.JPG
    dtc_tcm.JPG

    new_tb_conan_tune.hpl
    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    The throttle body had to be installed on its side, because of hitting the fuel rail and hose barb. Could this be it? I would need a spacer to rotate it back up.
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    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
    The throttle body had to be installed on its side, because of hitting the fuel rail and hose barb. Could this be it? I would need a spacer to rotate it back up.
    I believe mine has been rotated around and never made a dif. Need to go over TB airflow numbers again. Send the other TB off to FASTMAN and opened up. https://www.thefastman.com/
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    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
    Well it got here and its on but it was not the problem. Same thing. The ETC light is flashing.
    I even flashed the factory tune to see if anything changed and nothing.

    I did manage to get HPT to do a couple throttle relearns and the ETC light was delayed the 1st restart but it persists.

    I'm posting a scan I made today after re-flashing the calibration you gave me. It drove better, no spitting or abrupt happenings, just neutered like, moving the throttle a lot does little.

    And some DTC screen shots.

    The Bank 1 & 2 too lean is from when cheap-o hoses that came with the catch can pushed off a long time ago.

    dtc_after_new_tb_ride.JPG
    dtc_after_new_tb_ride_02.JPG
    dtc_tcm.JPG

    new_tb_conan_tune.hpl
    Thinking P0129 is still an issue, need to figure that out. Go over the connections again. Check the MAP sensor and make sure it didn't get damaged install SC. Worst case plug your old one in and see what happens.

    BP is only 15.4, should be around 30?? maybe not. trying to look at other logs and see what they are. Other logs are showing 14.5.
    Last edited by coanan; 01-30-2020 at 04:59 PM.
    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp

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    I'm worried the tune may have corrupted mp ecm. I'll keep trying.
    What is causing the etc to alarm?
    @work now, I'll do some as you say tonight. I have a co-worker bringing me a SCT unmarried, 5 unlocks, wanting me to build him a smoker, he provides the material. It's the right unit for my car.
    I'm gonna do it and have the edelbrock file on hand just in case.
    I'm following your lead right now. I'll not have it till Monday any way.
    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Ok on the map sensor. I'll do it tonight.
    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ