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    Thank You,
    Heh, I just finished before reading your last reply, but not like you said, not even gonna look. Its best I wait until you get in front of it. But I'm good so no hurry. I would like to learn it.
    I just made the simple single field changes by hand and the tables with the copy/paste buttons, and then hit the show differences to make sure.

    Yeh, I got everything, even speed-o and fans. I checked everything, trans too.

    I'm a little concerned about gear ratio. Its not like older versions. Its in the Scanner Vehicle Controls & Special Functions. I hope there is not a trigger in there. I'm 2.65:1.
    Should be OK because you gotta run the function to change it eh? What gear was the 2013?
    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
    Thank You,
    Heh, I just finished before reading your last reply, but not like you said, not even gonna look. Its best I wait until you get in front of it. But I'm good so no hurry. I would like to learn it.
    I just made the simple single field changes by hand and the tables with the copy/paste buttons, and then hit the show differences to make sure.

    Yeh, I got everything, even speed-o and fans. I checked everything, trans too.

    I'm a little concerned about gear ratio. Its not like older versions. Its in the Scanner Vehicle Controls & Special Functions. I hope there is not a trigger in there. I'm 2.65:1.
    Should be OK because you gotta run the function to change it eh? What gear was the 2013?
    factory 2.65. Tried the 3.06, then went to 3.73 which I really like. Haven't had ACC/FCW since, HPtuners doesn't write far enough into system when changing gear ratio for some reason.
    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp

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    Well I hope to get a tracking number for the blower tomorrow. The packaging is said to be a 200lb box. I'm surprised they didn't require I pay for lift gate.
    I'll have my truck ready to back up to his and a box cutter. I hope to tip the driver a $20 spot to let me open it and get the smaller boxes out of it passing it to the truck bed. Shouldn't take 3 minutes.

    Sorry, what is ACC/FCW?
    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Just an update, the eforce is drop shipping from Edelbrock tomorrow.
    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Too excited to post the pics or busy installing it?
    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
    Well I hope to get a tracking number for the blower tomorrow. The packaging is said to be a 200lb box. I'm surprised they didn't require I pay for lift gate.
    I'll have my truck ready to back up to his and a box cutter. I hope to tip the driver a $20 spot to let me open it and get the smaller boxes out of it passing it to the truck bed. Shouldn't take 3 minutes.

    Sorry, what is ACC/FCW?
    active cruse control/forward collision warning
    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp

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    Heh! More like a kid waiting on Christmas, its in route. Get a load of this adventure.

    Pace Performance (PP) really drug their feet getting the order into Edelbrock. I had to call and police the damn process.
    I order on Fri 1/3/2020 get an email from PP the Monday after saying its being drop-shipped to me.

    So living where a large truck cannot turn around I call Edelbrock Monday PM (to ask who is the carrier going to be) and am told there is no such order, no PP P.O. or shipping address to me.
    I call PP and get a "Hmmm? - OK, I'll reach out".
    Long story short I got a tracking number Friday! Yesterday. I run the number via Old Dominion site and see its shipping to PP...!! WTH?!
    I call Edelbrock and the ladies bent over backwards correcting it finding it was still sitting at the local hub. Sigh..........

    Edelbrock ships same day and it shipped yesterday and I ordered it last Friday so........ a week getting on a truck.

    BUT........I saved $1268.21 over going with Summitt or Jeggs because of the MUCH better price for the 15340 no programmer kit $5194.46 and no tax & shipping vs $6462.67 via mainstream vendors.
    Its due to show up Wed or at least the carrier "Old Dominion" told me I am going to be called Wed about scheduling the delivery.

    So for that money............ worth it!

    I plan on a full write up and pics for another forum I regulate, and pics will be posted here with the link there.
    The jist of the write up is to demo a DYI istall. Shops want $5-6k labor not counting the Dyno Tune, around here anyway. So yes, I am an advanced mechanical individual and can afford to be a little lazy and get a turn key install and tune but not paying $150.00 - $200.00 an hour rates.

    I received my SRT thicker radiator and dual fans yesterday, waiting on the fan harness. Going to upgrade while I'm in there.

    srt_rad_dual_fans.jpg
    Last edited by 2therock; 01-11-2020 at 11:19 AM.
    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
    Heh! More like a kid waiting on Christmas, its in route. Get a load of this adventure.

    Pace Performance (PP) really drug their feet getting the order into Edelbrock. I had to call and police the damn process.
    I order on Fri 1/3/2020 get an email from PP the Monday after saying its being drop-shipped to me.

    So living where a large truck cannot turn around I call Edelbrock Monday PM (to ask who is the carrier going to be) and am told there is no such order, no PP P.O. or shipping address to me.
    I call PP and get a "Hmmm? - OK, I'll reach out".
    Long story short I got a tracking number Friday! Yesterday. I run the number via Old Dominion site and see its shipping to PP...!! WTH?!
    I call Edelbrock and the ladies bent over backwards correcting it finding it was still sitting at the local hub. Sigh..........

    Edelbrock ships same day and it shipped yesterday and I ordered it last Friday so........ a week getting on a truck.

    BUT........I saved $1268.21 over going with Summitt or Jeggs because of the MUCH better price for the 15340 no programmer kit $5194.46 and no tax & shipping vs $6462.67 via mainstream vendors.
    Its due to show up Wed or at least the carrier "Old Dominion" told me I am going to be called Wed about scheduling the delivery.

    So for that money............ worth it!

    I plan on a full write up and pics for another forum I regulate, and pics will be posted here with the link there.
    The jist of the write up is to demo a DYI istall. Shops want $5-6k labor not counting the Dyno Tune, around here anyway. So yes, I am an advanced mechanical individual and can afford to be a little lazy and get a turn key install and tune but not paying $150.00 - $200.00 an hour rates.

    I received my SRT thicker radiator and dual fans yesterday, waiting on the fan harness. Going to upgrade while I'm in there.

    srt_rad_dual_fans.jpg
    Sounds like my journey when I started except for my pallet engine, everything else was jinxed. I bought the Ron Davis knock off aluminum radiator from ebay, it's been great. Now looking at doing cam, never ends.
    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp

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    Quote Originally Posted by coanan View Post
    Do not use the aluminum rubber intake gaskets they send, there is no aluminum support between the front cyls and breather ports, just thin rubber. I was chasing a boost issue for a while, when I pulled intake you could see the rubber was blowing out and bypassing boost into crankcase. Buy the Cometic Aramid Fiber Intake Gaskets C5197.
    I presume you use these dry?
    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Engine Bay Pre-Op Cleaning Done

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    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
    I presume you use these dry?
    yes dry
    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp

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    What plugs did you run? Iridium? The gap? 0.028?
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    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Hi Guys,

    I am not good at configuring the new layouts. When it went from configs to layouts I went dyslexic.
    I sure could use a layout configured for my application of monitoring the newly installed e-force and Edelbrock canned tune from the first startup and drive to spot trouble signs and such until I can get it to a Dyno Tuner.
    It will not be wide band at 1st.
    Thanks

    Oh, It begins. Here are pics of the event and of angles I could not find when researching this blower.

    eforce_blower_porn_05.jpg

    eforce_blower_porn_02.jpg

    eforce_blower_porn_04.jpg

    eforce_blower_porn_01.jpg

    eforce_blower_porn_03.jpg
    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
    Hi Guys,

    I am not good at configuring the new layouts. When it went from configs to layouts I went dyslexic.
    I sure could use a layout configured for my application of monitoring the newly installed e-force and Edelbrock canned tune from the first startup and drive to spot trouble signs and such until I can get it to a Dyno Tuner.
    It will not be wide band at 1st.
    Thanks

    Oh, It begins. Here are pics of the event and of angles I could not find when researching this blower.

    eforce_blower_porn_05.jpg

    eforce_blower_porn_02.jpg

    eforce_blower_porn_04.jpg

    eforce_blower_porn_01.jpg

    eforce_blower_porn_03.jpg
    Looking good. Which intake gaskets did they send?
    Get a wide band. Important
    Last edited by coanan; 01-17-2020 at 04:59 PM.
    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp

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    The same they sent you. Unreal how those two areas are unsupported. Thanks for the heads up.

    Yeh on the wide band. I've had a Radix on my truck since 2005 and even though after the first 6 months I rarely look at it or the boos any more, I know to have one though.
    But dang! The placement. And some tuners are trying to get lazy and read after the cats. Not on my ride.
    I'm going to have a muffler shop drop and install one before the cat, and another bung just for the tuner so he can access it under the car.

    Install report. I put the pump in and it would not work. "Dud" I cussed! Decided to move on and seen an instruction paper in the bottom of a box with wiring. None of which was in the instructions I studied.

    I'll get back to it tomorrow. I had already put my old pump back in.
    Attached is the jist of it.

    Chrysler_Gas_Pump_Leak_TSB_08-32-17_FP_Connector-2.pdf

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    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
    The same they sent you. Unreal how those two areas are unsupported. Thanks for the heads up.

    Yeh on the wide band. I've had a Radix on my truck since 2005 and even though after the first 6 months I rarely look at it or the boos any more, I know to have one though.
    But dang! The placement. And some tuners are trying to get lazy and read after the cats. Not on my ride.
    I'm going to have a muffler shop drop and install one before the cat, and another bung just for the tuner so he can access it under the car.

    Install report. I put the pump in and it would not work. "Dud" I cussed! Decided to move on and seen an instruction paper in the bottom of a box with wiring. None of which was in the instructions I studied.

    I'll get back to it tomorrow. I had already put my old pump back in.
    Attached is the jist of it.

    Chrysler_Gas_Pump_Leak_TSB_08-32-17_FP_Connector-2.pdf

    .
    Yep. Had that issue with the Walbro I put in, had to swap wires around for it to work properly. I called Edelbrock when I finally figured out the problem,(help from net searches showed other install shops having the same problem) with the gaskets, I'm still surprised they send them.

    Screwing around today registered 11.75 lbs boost. When you get to a point of a pulley change I have a 3", (about 2# boost) provided they put a 3.25 on yours.
    Last edited by coanan; 01-18-2020 at 08:51 AM.
    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp

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    Thanks,

    Well I got the fuel pump going.
    Upon observation, FCA's corrective action was reversing the polarity, separating the power and ground terminals more and enlarging that smaller wire.
    Gonna leave the seat out for sure until I know everything is OK and seals.

    So the bleep/blunder happens in the beginning with Edelbrock not updating the instructions, placing the pump and the update harness in separate boxes, and me not digging hard enough through the "ALL" boxes.

    I was also missing 7 bolts all of which ACE hardware had on the shelf. Exact matches.

    Resting now, will most likely burn late night oil.
    2013 Dodge Charger R/T Plus, Stock 5.7L, Edelbrock E-Force Stage 1, 3.25" Pulley, 450-HP 459-TQ.
    Corsa Sport CatBack, 3.06:1 Wavetrac, Dual Fans, 1-7/16 Radiator, Mopar Oil Cooler
    2005 Radix'd Silverado L33 5.3 ECSB Z71 @ 387-HP 395-TQ

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2therock View Post
    Thanks,

    Well I got the fuel pump going.
    Upon observation, FCA's corrective action was reversing the polarity, separating the power and ground terminals more and enlarging that smaller wire.
    Gonna leave the seat out for sure until I know everything is OK and seals.

    So the bleep/blunder happens in the beginning with Edelbrock not updating the instructions, placing the pump and the update harness in separate boxes, and me not digging hard enough through the "ALL" boxes.

    I was also missing 7 bolts all of which ACE hardware had on the shelf. Exact matches.

    Resting now, will most likely burn late night oil.
    Good to hear. Did mine at a friends shop, had it running by night fall, lift helps. Today's max boost 12.2.
    Last edited by coanan; 01-18-2020 at 08:25 PM.
    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp

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    I have a file for an eforce 5.7 challanger that put down 590whp i was going to clean it up a little bit

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    Quote Originally Posted by RecklessMotorsports View Post
    I have a file for an eforce 5.7 challanger that put down 590whp i was going to clean it up a little bit
    What pulley and boost level?
    2018 Trackhawk PCM/TCM tune by Dusterhoff.
    Flex Fuel, MMX faux 95mm TB, GripTec 2.85, 10% ATI lower, FIC1200, ARH 1 7/8 w/cats, 180 T-stat

    13 Chrysler 300S, RAM BGE 412 stroker, cam motion 232/246 619/619 118 +4, ATI 18% OD pulley
    Whipple Gen5 3.0, 2.50 upper pulley, Smooth Boost controller, FIC 1200 inj. Nick W 108mm TB, FORE dual return fuel system, E85, FTI 2800 stall(SRT83380), SHR WAR Viking trans and valve body, Getrag 3.73, 1 7/8 kooks w/hi-flow cats, 3" Magnaflow Cat-back 943rwhp