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    How can I get PE to come in earlier and harder

    Like the post says. Looking for a tip on how to get the PE to kick in earlier and a bit harder too. Seems like it comes in way to soft, especially for a motor that likes fuel. This is a 2015 5.7 Hemi Charger

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    Reduce the WOT throttle voltage (stay above ~2V). You can also bump up FA enrichment rate. However on my car (2015 challenger) if enrichment rate is set too large I get DTCs and engine runs pig rich.

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    Yeah, I noticed that with the enrichment rate at well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Homer View Post
    Reduce the WOT throttle voltage (stay above ~2V). You can also bump up FA enrichment rate. However on my car (2015 challenger) if enrichment rate is set too large I get DTCs and engine runs pig rich.
    What's the down side of going below 2v?
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    Quote Originally Posted by coanan View Post
    What's the down side of going below 2v?
    From what others here have stated going below 2V (or 1.6V) can mess with VVT.

    In fact, there was a thread asking how low you can set PE WOT threshold not to long ago...can't seem to find it though.
    Last edited by Homer; 08-21-2020 at 09:09 PM.

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    There are two tables I changed on my Hellcat to change PE Delay today to see if I could help answer your question.

    fa_wot_throttle_rate_spark_changes.jpg

    I changed the Tip-In Throttle Spark, theory being as you moving into WOT the tables can be used to pull spark to prevent nastiness if you are loading it to be hard. Then I changed the Power Enrich Delay. For some reason from the factory above 17 MPH there is a delay in WOT or if the RPM was above 704 it was disabled. I set it to 127 and then basically made WOT enabled through the entire RPM range without delay. Saved the file and went for a cruise. Smiles Per Gallon have definitely increased. If you haven't done these changes already they are recommended but you know YMMV.
    Hellcat PB > ET: 10.092, MPH: 135.650, 60': 1.492, R/T: .000
    Bone Stock Scat Pack PB > ET: 11.612, MPH: 119.52, 60': 1.634, R/T: .000 (gone but not forgotten).

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    I went the other way with the rpm max i.e 8000+ so it will never hit delay.. looks like 0 disables it altogether?

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    Yep many ways to skin the cat. I made both situations an impossible scenario. Looks like the PCM is doing two "truthy" equivalence check and either one could turn on FA WOT delay.
    Hellcat PB > ET: 10.092, MPH: 135.650, 60': 1.492, R/T: .000
    Bone Stock Scat Pack PB > ET: 11.612, MPH: 119.52, 60': 1.634, R/T: .000 (gone but not forgotten).

    https://youtube.com/user/fumanchu182