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    Wideband choice and location

    02 camaro long tubes x pipe. Should I spend the extra money for the wide band that you can read threw hp, like the aem x series. Or will a normal one be ok to tune with? Also should I put the 02 in the pass or driver side header? How far from the stock o2? Thanks

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    This, probably needs its own thread. But...

    For an 02, The AEM 30-0334 wideband won't work. You would need the 30-0300 and connect via the ProLink interface, RS-232 serial, or EGR / AC 0-5v analog inputs.

    But there is hope! I am working ( right now ) on a new little adapter that will make the 30-0300 and 30-0310 widebands work via OBDII, on earlier (J1850) cars, just like the 30-0334 does on later CAN cars.

    It will look a lot like this. A short pass-thru connector. But, there will be screw terminals on the side, for the 30-0300/0310 CAN wires

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    The plan is to allow up to 10 widebands to connect to the CAN terminals. And, they will show up in VCMScanner, just like the 30-0334 widebands do.

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    That looks awesome Mike.
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    Probably wont be yellow, though

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    On the 0334 since it does have wiring off the gauge on connector "B" wires 8 & 9 a 0-5V output that may be the hot ticket for pre-CAN right? If that is the case sign me up for one.

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    The 30-0334 does have the 0-5v output. But, you have to add the pins and wire to the connector, yourself.

    This new toy is designed to adapt the CAN signal, from the 30-0300 and 30-0310 to pre-CAN ( J1850 ) vehicles.

    For the later CAN based vehicles, the 30-0334 is, probably, still the best way to go.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.mike View Post
    The 30-0334 does have the 0-5v output. But, you have to add the pins and wire to the connector, yourself.

    This new toy is designed to adapt the CAN signal, from the 30-0300 and 30-0310 to pre-CAN ( J1850 ) vehicles.

    For the later CAN based vehicles, the 30-0334 is, probably, still the best way to go.
    Any update on this Mike?

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    Just a bit. I got the actual housings in.

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    ( told ya they wouldn't be yellow )

    I am trying to figure out the ideal balance between price and features. The minimum would just be a 2-position screw terminal block, added to the side, for the CANH and CANL lines from the 30-0300/0310 widebands, and, a USB connector for configuration.

    I already have the J1850 interfaces worked out. But, I need to settle on a CPU that I can actually get. For those who do not know, there is a terrible shortage of chips, these days. So, picking a CPU that I can get reliably, for a decent price, is an issue.

    Some options would be:

    1. simulated NB outputs.
    2. additional WB type support.
    3. Back-pressure compensation ( using AEM kit )
    4. delayed sensor warm-up ( to prevent thermal shock )
    5. Do I need to support CAN based vehicles ? Or, leave that to the 30-0334 ?


    What I really need to do is some kind of survey to see what the interest level in this thing is. I probably have to dump a few$k into this to get everything working; including a couple of ECU simulators for the VPW and PWM variants of the J1850 standard.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dr.mike View Post
    Just a bit. I got the actual housings in.

    20210723_205432.jpg
    ( told ya they wouldn't be yellow )

    I am trying to figure out the ideal balance between price and features. The minimum would just be a 2-position screw terminal block, added to the side, for the CANH and CANL lines from the 30-0300/0310 widebands, and, a USB connector for configuration.

    I already have the J1850 interfaces worked out. But, I need to settle on a CPU that I can actually get. For those who do not know, there is a terrible shortage of chips, these days. So, picking a CPU that I can get reliably, for a decent price, is an issue.

    Some options would be:

    1. simulated NB outputs.
    2. additional WB type support.
    3. Back-pressure compensation ( using AEM kit )
    4. delayed sensor warm-up ( to prevent thermal shock )
    5. Do I need to support CAN based vehicles ? Or, leave that to the 30-0334 ?


    What I really need to do is some kind of survey to see what the interest level in this thing is. I probably have to dump a few$k into this to get everything working; including a couple of ECU simulators for the VPW and PWM variants of the J1850 standard.
    No idea what your cost point is but If it were available I would pay $50 in a heartbeat. I already have the 0334 and have it wired to the pro pigtail as a 0-5v analog input
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    Ironically, it would not work with a 30-0334. That would be kinda redundant. The proposed device is an AEMNet to OBDII converter module. So, it takes the AEMNet CAN signals from the 30-0300 and 30-0310 and converts them to OBDII ( CAN and J1850 ). The 30-0334 does not have an AEMNet CAN output. It is already in OBDII CAN format.

    Based on what I see, so far, it looks like the price for the basic unit would be around $60-$70, pending volumes.

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    Seems it would still work with the 30-0334 using the analog 0-5v output. That would allow non CAN vehicles easy hookup without the Pro feature cost.

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    I am watching this one. That would be handy regardless! and that price point i cant imagine any tuner is going to baulk. Slick idea!
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    I got 100-150$ PayPal will send right now. Lol

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    Seems it would still work with the 30-0334 using the analog 0-5v output. That would allow non CAN vehicles easy hookup without the Pro feature cost.
    Sorry... This one is for 30-0300 and 30-0310 only. ( I may be able to get it to work with the 4-channel 30-2340 ). This device will not have 0-5v inputs. Just the AEMNet CAN input. I don't want to deal with the headaches of customer support that come with wiring analog signals and dealing with ground offsets, scaling, math channels, etc. If you need analog inputs, you still need the pro feature set and the proLink. I am not trying to replace those. Just extend the 30-0334 functionality to pre-CAN vehicles.

    I will try to come up with a proper new thread for this thing, tomorrow. And, see what the reaction is.