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Thread: 1999 Vortec 454 Build - struggling with tune

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    Newbie to site and very green to HPTuners.

    Sorry to butt in on the thread but the subject is hand grenade close to my question.

    Background --I changed the dizzy on my '97 L29 (stock). It idles rough and threw a 1345 code. I assume the CAM Retard setting is not within +-2 degree spec. So I purchased DashCommand (DC) with GM Enhanced PIDS and a $100 Datalink MX+ but cannot get the CAM reading data to display (No Data). Tried contacting DC for help but no one is home.

    Onto my question --Does HPTuners read and display CAM Retard for 97' GMCs? If so what hardware and software would I need to purchase (I have laptop). I realize HP Tuners is a much more capable and expensive investment than DC but solving this F(X)would immediately begin the payback and open up future tinkering opportunities.

    Thanks

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    If you?re getting no cmp (cam retard) data make sure the cam sensor on the dizzy is plugged in. I got that same code (I think) because the sensor plug had not been seated in the connecter all the way.

    HPT can do crank relearn but I have not seen a cmp reading anywhere. If you get it close I?m told it will not affect timing, however I don?t see how it can?t affect it in a small way, either spark strength or having too much of a gap between the rotor and cap.

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    Thanks PP. The connector is properly on the dizzy. I played with the connector several times in addition to various attempts at reinstalling the DC software and plug/unplugging the OBD reader. I've read several posts that say meeting the +- 2 degrees spec does indeed have a significant impact on engine performance. The more I read about HPT I am surprised to hear that it might not read CAM Retard values...It seems to be such a powerful tool one would think monitoring Cam Retard a non-issue.
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    Spark timing comes solely from the crank sensor, the cam sensor is only used to determine if TDC at the crank is TDC compression or TDC exhaust.

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    Let me know if you find cmp anywhere in HPT. I would be very handy to be able to do that setting while also looking at the tune in real time.

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    1999 Chevrolet C Pickup - 2WD / Engine Controls - 7.4L / Description and Operation / Enhanced Ignition System Operation:
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    This system does not use the ignition module used on the DI systems in the past. The VCM controller now controls the ignition control (IC) and bypass functions.

    The crankshaft sensor, located in the front engine cover, is perpendicular to a target wheel attached to the crankshaft. The target wheel is equipped with slots situated 60 degrees apart. As the crankshaft rotates, the target wheel rotates past the crankshaft position sensor. The rising and falling edges created by the slots cause a signal to be sent back to the VCM. This signal occurs three times per crankshaft revolution and is referred to as the 3x signal for V6 applications. The signal occurs four times per crankshaft revolution and is referred to as the 4x signal for V8 applications.

    The VCM then utilizes this 3x (V6) or 4x (V8) signal in order to provide the correct spark to the engine by way of the single coil driver module. The single coil driver module is basically an electronic switch that when commanded by the VCM, causes the primary coil voltage to breakdown, energizing the secondary coil and providing a spark via the coil wire to the distributor cap. The distributor consists of the following components:
    • Cap and rotor
    • Camshaft position sensor
    • Gear drive and shaft

    The camshaft drives the distributor shaft which rotates providing a spark to the correct cylinder by way of the cap and rotor. The camshaft position (CMP) sensor functions much like the crankshaft sensor previously described but provides only a 1x signal to the VCM. That is, for every 2 rotations of the crankshaft, there is 1 rotation of the camshaft. Note that the camshaft position sensor will not affect driveability. The sole purpose of the camshaft position sensor is to provide the VCM with the necessary information for the misfire diagnostic trouble codes (DTCs).
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    I might add that you (may) have a bad MAP sensor??

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    New ECU - New Scan - less poblems

    Ok so favorable update on this issue:

    I've been driving with the map disconnected for the past few months and taking it easy. I just had no time to dedicate to hunting this down over the winter.

    About 3 weeks ago I ordered a remanned ECU - it arrived this week, loaded the latest tune and things seem to be mostly resolved regarding the timing issues. MAP values are reading more normal and the ECU isn't pulling timing like crazy at low RPM. About a year ago I scanned the truck and had a low voltage to O2 sensor code.

    LTFTs are in the --5 to -7 range now. Here is the latest scan - any input is welcome!
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