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    Total advance w/ phaser lockout (L83/L86)

    Can?t seem to find a straight answer, but for anyone who knows the answer it would be much appreciated. Application here being a L83 w/ aftermarket cam running 0 degree lockout block in the factory phaser. That being said now that the phaser is locked what?s the total degrees of timing advance?

    Reason being I read somewhere p0011 over advance code could cleared once the ecm stops commanding advance that?s no longer physically possible due to the phaser being locked.

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    The cam will be locked in the full advanced position. You'll disable the P0010 and 11 DTC's Which cam are you running?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kevin87turbot View Post
    The cam will be locked in the full advanced position. You'll disable the P0010 and 11 DTC's Which cam are you running?
    That’s Logical thanks for the quick answer. As far as the codes they’re disable and have been, but being permanent they still pop up when I scan for dtc’s lol.

    Main things is I’m 4 months in after them cam swap/DOD delete I’m searching deep in all avenues for the reason it keeps pulling negative timing. There’s always a caveat no matter idles with little to no lop in gear I’ll get the tune decent but heavy load or a abrupt stop or after I write minor adjustments nothing torque related it will immediately go negative idling down or most of the time once it’s in gear. Started over fresh factory tune when I get my vt in line and my engine/zero pedal/immediate torque mirror which would be beuno, it’s diving -20 degrees. I think the airflow increase/changes in the torque model are making this extremely difficult or it’s a modifier I’m missing. In SD I can’t even safely drive it stuck in negative it will lurch once you pedal it hard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Texas90 View Post
    That’s Logical thanks for the quick answer. As far as the codes they’re disable and have been, but being permanent they still pop up when I scan for dtc’s lol.

    Main things is I’m 4 months in after them cam swap/DOD delete I’m searching deep in all avenues for the reason it keeps pulling negative timing. There’s always a caveat no matter idles with little to no lop in gear I’ll get the tune decent but heavy load or a abrupt stop or after I write minor adjustments nothing torque related it will immediately go negative idling down or most of the time once it’s in gear. Started over fresh factory tune when I get my vt in line and my engine/zero pedal/immediate torque mirror which would be beuno, it’s diving -20 degrees. I think the airflow increase/changes in the torque model are making this extremely difficult or it’s a modifier I’m missing. In SD I can’t even safely drive it stuck in negative it will lurch once you pedal it hard.
    22x/23x rkspeed custom grind +32% fuel lobe required hpfp lash cap on the lifter
    Dual .660’s
    Hardened pushrods
    GM LS7 lifters/trays
    CC turnion upgrade
    CC phaser lockout
    L86 manifold- throttle body
    Airaid MIT-factory airbox
    Taylor 409 Lt1 wires-Delco plugs
    Speed engineering Lt’s->vbands->Pacesetter ORY
    Vacuum pump delete
    Running a dang near identical setup and about to start working on a self tune. Curious if you'd be willing to share your file so that I can see the main tables you needed to adjust?

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    I managed to get my tune pretty dialed in and I have positive timing. Did you figure it out on your end?
    You need to get the airflow models correct first and foremost.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A_Texas90 View Post
    Can?t seem to find a straight answer, but for anyone who knows the answer it would be much appreciated. Application here being a L83 w/ aftermarket cam running 0 degree lockout block in the factory phaser. That being said now that the phaser is locked what?s the total degrees of timing advance?

    Reason being I read somewhere p0011 over advance code could cleared once the ecm stops commanding advance that?s no longer physically possible due to the phaser being locked.
    just finished my stage 2 tsp cam swap with all the other same parts as you. i have larger injectors,l86 intake and tb. Turbo and stage 3 trans by circleD and billet 2 piece triple stall.

    the cam issue is a hard one. As I have read it depends how the cam was cut. mine is all set to 0. increase rpm at idle by 150.

    Short story I followed Matt Standford. It is a base starter tune I will go over it all before big boost.
    https://youtu.be/ZXvN8RFsQbI?si=fU-4akkGJnwJbBHU

    Starts up no codes all misfires gone idles perfect and 0trq at idle. my WB O2 is reading 1.0-1.02. stft are under 10.*oh i have misfire under 3000rpm off for my 2 step but can still see in misfire history but i have all 0. and no disabled codes other then emissions.

    But I think there is some unwritten rule the computer needs so many miles to relearn for the tb,intake, and cam. even with the relearn in special tools.