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    6l80e weird 2nd gear hang at 5500rpm

    Hey there,

    Ive got a 2010 Camaro SS with the L99 and 6l80e. Ive been battling this weird 2nd gear hangup at 5500rpm for awhile and I cant seem to figure out what it is. Every other gear is fine. Any help would be much appreciated.

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    add tcc pressure and trans input shaft, and trans slip rpm to your logs maybe something will stick out

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    Here is a log with the PIDS you asked for. It didnt do it quite as bad this log which is weird. Sometimes it barely hangs and sometimes it holds like in the first log.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRTRhino View Post
    Here is a log with the PIDS you asked for. It didnt do it quite as bad this log which is weird. Sometimes it barely hangs and sometimes it holds like in the first log.
    If you look closely you have a bit of trans slip while it's happening in that log. Be curious if it's the same on longer events like this.

    At first glance it looks like the trans may be slipping and allowing rpm to climb to 53-55 as opposed to something happening at 55.
    Last edited by sevinn; 09-25-2021 at 02:53 AM.

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    There's a lot of channels (PIDs) you need to add. It's not logging current gear, so any input would just be a guess. Some to definitely add will be...

    Burst Knock Retard
    Total Knock Retard
    Accelerator Position
    Relative Throttle Position
    Commanded Throttle Position
    TCS Desired Engine Torque
    Engine Torque
    Torque Mgt Advance
    Throttle Control Source
    Trans Engine Torque
    Trans Torque Management Type
    Trans Speed Control Torque
    PRNDL Status
    Trans Shift Mode
    Oncoming Clutch
    Trans Current Gear
    Time of Latest Shift
    Time of Latest 1-2 Shift
    Time of Latest 2-3 Shift
    Time of Latest 3-4 Shift
    Time of Latest 4-5 Shift
    Fill Pressure Cmd
    PCS 1 Cmd Pressure
    PCS 2 Cmd Pressure
    PCS 3 Cmd Pressure
    PCS 4 Cmd Pressure
    PCS 5 Cmd Pressure

    Add those, and drive/log again. That should start to get us somewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by village_idiot View Post
    There's a lot of channels (PIDs) you need to add. It's not logging current gear, so any input would just be a guess. Some to definitely add will be...

    Burst Knock Retard
    Total Knock Retard
    Accelerator Position
    Relative Throttle Position
    Commanded Throttle Position
    TCS Desired Engine Torque
    Engine Torque
    Torque Mgt Advance
    Throttle Control Source
    Trans Engine Torque
    Trans Torque Management Type
    Trans Speed Control Torque
    PRNDL Status
    Trans Shift Mode
    Oncoming Clutch
    Trans Current Gear
    Time of Latest Shift
    Time of Latest 1-2 Shift
    Time of Latest 2-3 Shift
    Time of Latest 3-4 Shift
    Time of Latest 4-5 Shift
    Fill Pressure Cmd
    PCS 1 Cmd Pressure
    PCS 2 Cmd Pressure
    PCS 3 Cmd Pressure
    PCS 4 Cmd Pressure
    PCS 5 Cmd Pressure

    Add those, and drive/log again. That should start to get us somewhere

    Okay, I will make sure to add those to the next log and upload it here, thanks guys!

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    Heres a log with all the needed PIDS added. Thanks for the help again from all of you!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRTRhino View Post
    Heres a log with all the needed PIDS added. Thanks for the help again from all of you!
    Trans slips spikes again around 4600 rpm to 5200 rpm, then trans slip stops. Your trans seems to be slipping.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sevinn View Post
    Trans slips spikes again around 4600 rpm to 5200 rpm, then trans slip stops. Your trans seems to be slipping.
    any idea what could he causing it? I would think if the fluid it low it would happen more often and not just in 2nd at WOT

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRTRhino View Post
    any idea what could he causing it? I would think if the fluid it low it would happen more often and not just in 2nd at WOT
    Nothing crazy goes on with your pressures or anything. You may honestly want to drop fluid and see what it looks like.

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    After you've done what sevinn said and flushing the fluid if it looks bad, grab the airmass A table and raise it 30% for a band aid test.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hjtrbo View Post
    After you've done what sevinn said and flushing the fluid if it looks bad, grab the airmass A table and raise it 30% for a band aid test.

    Where would this table be located? Im not familiar with that name of a table for the trans

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRTRhino View Post
    Where would this table be located? Im not familiar with that name of a table for the trans
    It's on the engine side. You can also increase EQ ratio tq at EQ ratios you reach at wot as well to the same effect. Engine > torque model > general

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    Quote Originally Posted by sevinn View Post
    It's on the engine side. You can also increase EQ ratio tq at EQ ratios you reach at wot as well to the same effect. Engine > torque model > general
    Okay, Ill give it a shot. Just out of curiosity, what exactly will this be changing? Never really understood how changing the torque models affected anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SRTRhino View Post
    Okay, Ill give it a shot. Just out of curiosity, what exactly will this be changing? Never really understood how changing the torque models affected anything.
    Increasing the values in those tables (don't need to do both really) increases reported torque to the trans, therefore increasing requested line pressure.

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    so going over this file theres quite a bit that i can see is wrong with it. First thing, where it is set as a minimum of -20 degrees in the spark minimum table for the torque managment, setting that to a positive 5 degrees is only causing more harm than it is good. If it needs to remove to -20 then allow it, thats the trans telling you something isnt set correctly and the shift isnt executing properly. Second, after going over the trans portion, theres so much copy/paste, as well as extreme pressure adjustments that simply are causing much more harm than good. You would literally be way way better off if you start back from a stock file and make ONLY THE ADJUSTMENTS YOU UNDERSTAND AND THE VEHICLE NEEDS. That seems to be where most make mistakes on these transmissions, altering tables that they arent certain of the actual function/ consequence. in the last log if you use the layout ill include, you can see where its droping the 2/6 clutch too late and the 3/5/R was already applied causing that odd feeling, that is actually both clutch packs being drug/applied at the same time instead of dropping and applying at the proper ratio. Hope this helps.6l8090.Layout.xml