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    This is one I did a little while back. I did install the sciap settings and resent this to the customer a while after having his tune done just because he does some seriously heavy towing with this one and needs the throttle control. It's not perfect. I do some things differently now with the torque settings and what not, but I guess the main things you want to see are there. This one does have the torque model and the variable cam timing set up to keep the moving cam in the picture. VE is also set to stay as close as possible for the moving cam.
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    2010 Vette Stock Bottom LS3 - LS2 APS Twin Turbo Kit, Trick Flow Heads and Custom Cam - 12psi - 714rwhp and 820rwtq / 100hp Nitrous Shot starting at 3000 rpms - 948rwhp and 1044rwtq still on 93
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    Quote Originally Posted by GHuggins View Post
    This is one I did a little while back. I did install the sciap settings and resent this to the customer a while after having his tune done just because he does some seriously heavy towing with this one and needs the throttle control. It's not perfect. I do some things differently now with the torque settings and what not, but I guess the main things you want to see are there. This one does have the torque model and the variable cam timing set up to keep the moving cam in the picture. VE is also set to stay as close as possible for the moving cam.
    Thank you. Are these from the same car? The VT tables has very subtle changes in them when comparing

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    Torque won't change a whole whole lot in your light throttle area with the addition of a blower, but instead in the higher airmasses and loads. The tool I use for working the torque models doesn't get them 100% accurate, but it seems to work decently with remapping things as you could see from your idle timing and everything in that regard going back close to stock. It just uses the changes to the VE table since it's a direct representation of what's changing to the efficiency of the motor to remap the models and while a blower does change the lighter load VE values a little, it doesn't change it a whole lot. If I were to make the torque model more realistic, the map side would most likely be a little flatter and come in sooner, but that can mess with throttle depending on the multipliers working in the background, so to keep the throttle operation as right as i can, especially when cam movement is involved, I just apply the same correction method to all of the map tables. Yes, you should be able to look at the vins and OS's to see the vehicle is the same. I'm not too worried about things getting copied as a lot of changes took place in the background tables that the majority of people out there can't see. Plus, there are settings in this that the owner of the truck wanted, that i wouldn't necessarily recommend doing like the fast torque exit stuff and a few others.
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    2010 Vette Stock Bottom LS3 - LS2 APS Twin Turbo Kit, Trick Flow Heads and Custom Cam - 12psi - 714rwhp and 820rwtq / 100hp Nitrous Shot starting at 3000 rpms - 948rwhp and 1044rwtq still on 93
    2011 Vette Cam Only Internal Mod in stock LS3 -- YSI @ 18psi - 811rwhp on 93 / 926rwhp on E60 & 1008rwhp with a 50 shot of nitrous all through a 6L80

    ~Greg Huggins~
    Remote Tuning Available at gh[email protected]
    Mobile Tuning Available for North Georgia and WNC

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    Quote Originally Posted by GHuggins View Post
    Torque won't change a whole whole lot in your light throttle area with the addition of a blower, but instead in the higher airmasses and loads. The tool I use for working the torque models doesn't get them 100% accurate, but it seems to work decently with remapping things as you could see from your idle timing and everything in that regard going back close to stock. It just uses the changes to the VE table since it's a direct representation of what's changing to the efficiency of the motor to remap the models and while a blower does change the lighter load VE values a little, it doesn't change it a whole lot. If I were to make the torque model more realistic, the map side would most likely be a little flatter and come in sooner, but that can mess with throttle depending on the multipliers working in the background, so to keep the throttle operation as right as i can, especially when cam movement is involved, I just apply the same correction method to all of the map tables. Yes, you should be able to look at the vins and OS's to see the vehicle is the same. I'm not too worried about things getting copied as a lot of changes took place in the background tables that the majority of people out there can't see. Plus, there are settings in this that the owner of the truck wanted, that i wouldn't necessarily recommend doing like the fast torque exit stuff and a few others.
    Yeah, that's what I was afraid of - in my case these hard shifts felt like the torque was 40+% off and I was hoping for more difference NA/FI. Thanks for the help, I will continue this quest in spring I guess)