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    Is your tune remote, street, or dyno?
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    If anyone is going to really help you they will need a complete build list. Without it all just guessing.
    2012 ZL1 - Maggie Heartbeat, Port & Polish Heads, Custom Cam, Custom rotating assembly, steel sleeves No NOS and No water meth. 16psi
    810rwhp and 820rwtq 91 Octane 6200 rpm
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGA2B View Post
    Is your tune remote, street, or dyno?
    Dyno. Was hoping to get some street time tuning but it was a loaded dyno... accurate only so much. Just trying to work out some spots that feel concerning.. don't show detonation, but are not right. I daily the car and want it to be better..

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    I totally understand. I have street tuned mine and will get it on the dyno someday. Have a MPS pulley system and cooling mods to go in but need injectors so waiting on that day... Wife is NOT mod friendly...

    I run a blended tune and am working on some fueling issues with transitions at part throttle.
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    2013 OBM A6 CTS-V Coupe
    Mods: 8.6 Lower, Spectre Performance CAI, SRI Ported THrottle Body, Billy Boat Exhaust, Stoptech Drilled & Slotted Rotors, EBC Redstuff, Cut Stock Springs, 6K HID Fogs, Full ATS-V Emblem Conversion, Full LED Conversion, Hard Line Delete W/ 3/4" Lines
    2006 Black Raven STS-V (Traded In)
    Fully Modded: 459RWHP@5888rpm/451lbft@4696rpm

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    No mods. You cannot just say 1150 injectors. Means nothing. Your whole tune changes with these. Like saying changed cam. Means nothing. Not picking on you just trying to get you the right help.

    Here is an example. These cams require different tunes and have different results. I have ran all of them in my ZL1. Injectors are the same. Looked at yours. Was trying to make sure that the cal was correct for what you bought.

    Intake
    Exhaust
    Duration .006
    288
    306
    Duration .050
    233
    251
    Valve Lift @ 1.7
    .607
    .614
    Lobe Separation
    120
    Intake Center Line
    115
    Camshaft Advance
    5




    Intake
    Exhaust
    Duration .006
    285
    309
    Duration .050
    235
    252
    Valve Lift @ 1.7
    .621
    .595
    Lobe Separation
    119
    Intake Center Line
    114
    Camshaft Advance
    5


    Intake
    Exhaust
    Duration .006
    281
    289
    Duration .050
    227
    236
    Lobe Lift
    .370
    .353
    Valve Lift @ 1.7
    .629
    .600
    Lobe Separation
    118
    Intake Center Line
    114
    Camshaft Advance
    4


    Intake
    Exhaust
    Duration .006
    265
    297
    Duration .050
    215
    247
    Lobe Lift
    .370
    .386
    Valve Lift @ 1.7
    .629
    .656
    Lobe Separation
    121
    Intake Center Line
    121
    Camshaft Advance
    0
    Last edited by jsllc; 07-06-2019 at 02:14 AM.
    2012 ZL1 - Maggie Heartbeat, Port & Polish Heads, Custom Cam, Custom rotating assembly, steel sleeves No NOS and No water meth. 16psi
    810rwhp and 820rwtq 91 Octane 6200 rpm
    948rwhp and 951rwtq 105 Octane 6200 rpm
    998rwhp and 997rwtq on 60% Ethanol 6200 rpm

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    Quote Originally Posted by jsllc View Post
    No mods. You cannot just say 1150 injectors. Means nothing. You whole tune changes with these. Like say changed cam. Means nothing. Not picking on you just trying to get get you the right help.

    Here is an example. These cams require different tunes and have different results. I have ran all of them in my ZL1. Injectors are the same. Looked at yours. Was trying to make sure that the cal was correct for what you bought.

    Intake
    Exhaust
    Duration .006
    288
    306
    Duration .050
    233
    251
    Valve Lift @ 1.7
    .607
    .614
    Lobe Separation
    120
    Intake Center Line
    115
    Camshaft Advance
    5




    Intake
    Exhaust
    Duration .006
    285
    309
    Duration .050
    235
    252
    Valve Lift @ 1.7
    .621
    .595
    Lobe Separation
    119
    Intake Center Line
    114
    Camshaft Advance
    5


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    [FONT="]Lobe Lift[/FONT]
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    So my injectors are going to be a problem... Started with ID850 then had them worked to 1150cc..... No data, I know. Impossible. Stock cam that was in the car... I get what your saying. I'm starting to think I may have to buy injectors...
    Last edited by Dzz88; 07-04-2019 at 01:26 PM.

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    Mods list.. 2.38 upper, porter snout and 90mm tb, full texas speed exhaust, spark plugs, the mutt injectors.. id850cc worked to 1150cc, flex fuel, heat X with pump and underhood tank. Mighty Mouse can, Normal bolt ons
    Last edited by Dzz88; 07-05-2019 at 08:05 AM.

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    Did you get a spec sheet with the injectors? And who did the rework on them?
    2013 OBM A6 CTS-V Coupe
    Mods: 8.6 Lower, Spectre Performance CAI, SRI Ported THrottle Body, Billy Boat Exhaust, Stoptech Drilled & Slotted Rotors, EBC Redstuff, Cut Stock Springs, 6K HID Fogs, Full ATS-V Emblem Conversion, Full LED Conversion, Hard Line Delete W/ 3/4" Lines
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    Quote Originally Posted by PGA2B View Post
    Did you get a spec sheet with the injectors? And who did the rework on them?
    AUS injection in Tempe. I'm pretty sure you can download spec sheets online for the original injector... I think the tuner did that and changed them accordingly... Just a guess. He did mention he was going at them blindly...
    Last edited by Dzz88; 07-05-2019 at 09:49 AM.

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    Oh great...
    2013 OBM A6 CTS-V Coupe
    Mods: 8.6 Lower, Spectre Performance CAI, SRI Ported THrottle Body, Billy Boat Exhaust, Stoptech Drilled & Slotted Rotors, EBC Redstuff, Cut Stock Springs, 6K HID Fogs, Full ATS-V Emblem Conversion, Full LED Conversion, Hard Line Delete W/ 3/4" Lines
    2006 Black Raven STS-V (Traded In)
    Fully Modded: 459RWHP@5888rpm/451lbft@4696rpm

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    Yeah, I'd say get a good set of injectors in there with known data, and you should be able to get it driving the way you want it. With the rest of your mods, there is no reason it shouldn't drive perfectly with VVE, MAF, O2 sensor, flex fuel data, and all injector data (including tip temp) being correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobZL1 View Post
    Yeah, I'd say get a good set of injectors in there with known data, and you should be able to get it driving the way you want it. With the rest of your mods, there is no reason it shouldn't drive perfectly with VVE, MAF, O2 sensor, flex fuel data, and all injector data (including tip temp) being correct.
    I was worried this might be the answer...
    I never compared any injector data to what is there now.. Could be a mess. I'm not up to speed on that yet.

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    Probably possible to get it right with the current injectors but without sending them to get flowed and characterized it is a guessing game in my opinion. Plus, if the set isn't matched, there's nothing much you can do about it.

    This is just my opinion, of course. Someone more experienced should chime in before you take my advice as the final answer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobZL1 View Post
    Probably possible to get it right with the current injectors but without sending them to get flowed and characterized it is a guessing game in my opinion. Plus, if the set isn't matched, there's nothing much you can do about it.

    This is just my opinion, of course. Someone more experienced should chime in before you take my advice as the final answer.
    He already said they started as ID850's before they were worked.
    2013 OBM A6 CTS-V Coupe
    Mods: 8.6 Lower, Spectre Performance CAI, SRI Ported THrottle Body, Billy Boat Exhaust, Stoptech Drilled & Slotted Rotors, EBC Redstuff, Cut Stock Springs, 6K HID Fogs, Full ATS-V Emblem Conversion, Full LED Conversion, Hard Line Delete W/ 3/4" Lines
    2006 Black Raven STS-V (Traded In)
    Fully Modded: 459RWHP@5888rpm/451lbft@4696rpm

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    My only point is they aren't necessarily characterized anymore, unless you are saying all other 850 data will be the same except flow rate.

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    No idea if anything changed but it probably did. Surprised they didn't come with specs from the shop that did them.
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    Mods: 8.6 Lower, Spectre Performance CAI, SRI Ported THrottle Body, Billy Boat Exhaust, Stoptech Drilled & Slotted Rotors, EBC Redstuff, Cut Stock Springs, 6K HID Fogs, Full ATS-V Emblem Conversion, Full LED Conversion, Hard Line Delete W/ 3/4" Lines
    2006 Black Raven STS-V (Traded In)
    Fully Modded: 459RWHP@5888rpm/451lbft@4696rpm

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    Quote Originally Posted by PGA2B View Post
    No idea if anything changed but it probably did. Surprised they didn't come with specs from the shop that did them.
    I hAVE SOME FLOW DATA IS ABOUT ALL

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    Quote Originally Posted by RobZL1 View Post
    My only point is they aren't necessarily characterized anymore, unless you are saying all other 850 data will be the same except flow rate.
    So your saying I could try it? Enter data from ID and see what happens? I looked at a few charts and found what I think is correct to try

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    Injector data is everything to getting your car to run consistently. Changes in voltage, pulse duration, min pulse and pressure all are variables that cannot be guessed. They have to be known to get the car to be predictable. I have used both FIC and ID. Injector data on either is accurate. Computers (ECM) are shit multipliers. Little in equals a lot out. Same is true of all the other items varied from stock. Always know the details of the changes.
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    810rwhp and 820rwtq 91 Octane 6200 rpm
    948rwhp and 951rwtq 105 Octane 6200 rpm
    998rwhp and 997rwtq on 60% Ethanol 6200 rpm

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    The other thing to remember on VVE. It is not SD or VE. What your see is a visual representation of the results of a formula. It has infinite salability within each zone. Zone edges are almost impossible to get perfect and variations between cells cannot be as dramatic as true cell based tables. It is meant as MAF smoother with predictive values on lower ranges and backup to MAF failure. To use it for more than that is asking for trouble.
    2012 ZL1 - Maggie Heartbeat, Port & Polish Heads, Custom Cam, Custom rotating assembly, steel sleeves No NOS and No water meth. 16psi
    810rwhp and 820rwtq 91 Octane 6200 rpm
    948rwhp and 951rwtq 105 Octane 6200 rpm
    998rwhp and 997rwtq on 60% Ethanol 6200 rpm