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    Maf filters help

    I am tuning a 2004 5.3 with dual exhaust ported throttle body and a aftermarket intake tube I am working on tuning the maf but I?m not sure how to setup the maf filters to get good data and what to use as filters?

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    Be sure to log Mass Airflow [Mass Flow Rate]

    Use this filter:
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    ABS([50040.71]-[50040.71.shift(-10)]) < ([50040.71]/[50040.71.shift(-10)])*0.1

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    Ok thank you

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    Sirius, for us formula challenged newbs what is being filtered out?

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    It's making sure MAF airflow isn't in a transient. Apply the filter to the fuel trims or wideband error table.

    https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ynamic-airflow
    Post #128.

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    Is this the only filter needed to get good data or should I be filtering anything else for maf tuning

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    For just MAF tuning should be all you need.

    If you put that filter formula in as a user math you can plot it against mass airflow rate (g/s) to see what it's doing.

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    Ok thank you, that is a very informative thread that you I will have to read the whole thing some time. I am also wondering what filters you use for ve tuning?

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    For VE using MAP is sufficient.

    Code:
    ABS([50030.91]-[50030.91.shift(-10)]) < ([50030.91]/[50030.91.shift(-10)])*0.1

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    Ok thank you

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    Hold on. I just remembered that you won't be able to tune WOT with that MAF filter. On the DynAir thread you'll see a OR TPS>95. Mass Airflow (rate) will be changing too rapidly.

    Add the TPS term:
    Code:
    ABS([50040.71]-[50040.71.shift(-10)]) < ([50040.71]/[50040.71.shift(-10)])*0.1 OR [50090.156] > 95
    A really basic, yet effective, filter is to use the MAP sensor value. It's similar to filtering TPS, but a little more accurate. This can be used for either MAF or VE tuning just as filtering TPS would be used:
    Code:
    ABS([50030.91]-[50030.91.shift(-10)]) < ([50030.91]/[50030.91.shift(-10)])*0.1
    Technically, the most accurate is filtering both airflow models so that they are simultaneously stable:
    Code:
    ABS([50040.71]-[50040.71.shift(-10)]) < ([50040.71]/[50040.71.shift(-10)])*0.1 & ABS([2311.71]-[2311.71.shift(-10)]) < ([2311.71]/[2311.71.shift(-10)])*0.1 OR [50090.156] > 95
    However, I've found that Volumetric Efficiency Airflow can't be logged on some. So, substitute the MAP sensor value to the filter:
    [CODE]
    Code:
    ABS([50040.71]-[50040.71.shift(-10)]) < ([50040.71]/[50040.71.shift(-10)])*0.1 & ABS([50030.91]-[50030.91.shift(-10)]) < ([50030.91]/[50030.91.shift(-10)])*0.1 OR [50090.156] > 95
    Experiment with them to see what gives you the best results.