Yeah I didn’t mean ditch them like keep them off just tuning. I’ve been able to tune off stfts pretty easily I do agree the wideband isn’t that accurate as it’s like if I’m in a rich cell it doesn’t read rich only wot it will kick to 13 which is lean. So keep tuning off fuel trims then wot tie the wideband in and use that then? I mean if everything is done correctly with fuel trims wouldn’t it align with the wideband at the end of it all?