A standard approach will give you standard results.
My Tuning Software:
VVE Assistant [update for v1.5]
MAF Assistant
EOIT Assistant
Has a good aftermarket regulator. Dead nuts 60psi
Oh and Cringer. You were spot on with the zones. Put the zones in first and then the rest and bang. Zones showed up. I'm getting there.
Hey one more thing. Can you critique my layout? Been working on it for a while. Kind of a mish mash of what seems to be the current trend. I won't tell you how much time I have into it. Hahahaha
CURRENT GEN4 LAYOUT NOV 2023.Layout.xml
Last edited by TheMechanic; 11-24-2023 at 06:10 PM.
A standard approach will give you standard results.
My Tuning Software:
VVE Assistant [update for v1.5]
MAF Assistant
EOIT Assistant
Do you have a guide or a layout that includes the dynamic air so I can put it into my layout?
I went through this and I am brain numb.
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ht=dynamic+air
Thank you in advance.
Last edited by TheMechanic; 11-25-2023 at 01:51 PM.
Just go back to the first post in this thread then copy/paste to create some new formulas. Then swap out any references to whatever you are using for GMVE or MAF with them.
This should work too... https://drive.google.com/drive/folde...usp=drive_link
I copied all the stuff over at some point, but not sure if any one has tested it.
A standard approach will give you standard results.
My Tuning Software:
VVE Assistant [update for v1.5]
MAF Assistant
EOIT Assistant
Unless I'm wrong the updated formulas are at the end of that thread aren't they or maybe you already updated them it looks like?
This is what I've been using and so far working very well.
Dyn Closed Loop using fuel trim corrections -
(([2320.71]+([2320.71]*([50116.156]+[50114.156])/100))-[2311.71])/[2311.71]*100
Filter for it -
ABS([50040.71]-[50040.71.shift(-10)]) < ([50040.71]/[50040.71.shift(-10)])*0.1 & ABS([2311.71]-[2311.71.shift(-10)]) < ([2311.71]/[2311.71.shift(-10)])*0.1 OR [50090.156] > 95
There's also this filter which includes some more -
ABS([50040.71]-[50040.71.shift(-10)]) < ([50040.71]/[50040.71.shift(-10)])*0.1 & ABS([2311.71]-[2311.71.shift(-10)]) < ([2311.71]/[2311.71.shift(-10)])*0.1 OR [50090.156] > 75 AND ([6310]=9 OR [6310]=14 OR [6310]=15)=0
I forget to update my channel configs to log everything needed for it. The first one works really good either way.
On a side note the VVE formulas I assume are for correcting the MAF while in SD mode correct? Looked like it from the looks of the formula. This is an important one everyone should be doing with SD tunes
I should also note a big Thank You to Cringer and Sirius for all of this!!! Makes life a lot easier and tunes a lot better. Especially the VE tool
Last edited by GHuggins; 11-25-2023 at 03:19 PM.
2010 Vette Stock Bottom LS3 - LS2 APS Twin Turbo Kit, Trick Flow Heads and Custom Cam - 12psi - 714rwhp and 820rwtq / 100hp Nitrous Shot starting at 3000 rpms - 948rwhp and 1044rwtq still on 93
2011 Vette Cam Only Internal Mod in stock LS3 -- YSI @ 18psi - 811rwhp on 93 / 926rwhp on E60 & 1008rwhp with a 50 shot of nitrous all through a 6L80
~Greg Huggins~
Remote Tuning Available at gh[email protected]
Mobile Tuning Available for North Georgia and WNC
A standard approach will give you standard results.
My Tuning Software:
VVE Assistant [update for v1.5]
MAF Assistant
EOIT Assistant
Thanks Cringer for all this, newbie and trying to learn. Just wanted to say appreciate it. I've watched the vids and slowly but surely getting there
A standard approach will give you standard results.
My Tuning Software:
VVE Assistant [update for v1.5]
MAF Assistant
EOIT Assistant
I've read this and the corresponding threads several times. Is there any way your Dynamic method can be implemented for gen 3 VE that I'm not understanding? MAF calibration part seems to work fine especially with the recently devised filters. The current limitation I'm unable to find a resolution for is gen 3 not supporting the Volumetric Airflow pid.
Sorry, I do not have any experience on Gen3's and I do not know if Dynamic Air is implemented the same way as it is on Gen 4 and Gen 5. If it is not accessible in your scanner, then I think you have your answer and you are going to have to use the legacy methods for tuning.
A standard approach will give you standard results.
My Tuning Software:
VVE Assistant [update for v1.5]
MAF Assistant
EOIT Assistant
Forgive me if I missed it somewhere throughout the many threads dealing with this, but how many cell hits should I set my filter to?
I don't think there is a single or correct answer to this question. But, the more cell hits the better is the best advice I have. I'd say 20-50 is probably a good starting point.
Part of this also comes down to how many RPMs there are between breakpoints in your VVE table. If you're in the 2000 rpm column, you could realistically be logging data for 1800 - 2200 rpm (depending on your break points). Same logic applies to MAF Hz breakpoints too...so getting sufficient data under sufficient running conditions is just as important, if not more important than cell hits.
Last edited by Cringer; 12-18-2023 at 11:41 AM.
Much appreciated. I'm going to start at 50 and see what kind of data I get.
A standard approach will give you standard results.
My Tuning Software:
VVE Assistant [update for v1.5]
MAF Assistant
EOIT Assistant
OK, it may have been mentioned in here already, but is there a way to work around the airflow limits of the scanner? I wasn't paying attention on one and made a 30% correction only for the next log to want the same thing over again at which time I realized I was hitting the limit and switched over to the airmass equation to finish out my VE table.
2010 Vette Stock Bottom LS3 - LS2 APS Twin Turbo Kit, Trick Flow Heads and Custom Cam - 12psi - 714rwhp and 820rwtq / 100hp Nitrous Shot starting at 3000 rpms - 948rwhp and 1044rwtq still on 93
2011 Vette Cam Only Internal Mod in stock LS3 -- YSI @ 18psi - 811rwhp on 93 / 926rwhp on E60 & 1008rwhp with a 50 shot of nitrous all through a 6L80
~Greg Huggins~
Remote Tuning Available at gh[email protected]
Mobile Tuning Available for North Georgia and WNC
Much appreciated. Only the DFCO, LTFTs and Desoot apply to me. Follow-up question: I'm using the following formula for logging, which includes STFTs and LTFTs. I'm guessing I should leave LTFTs enabled if I continue to use this formula. Correct?
(([2320.71]+([2320.71]*([50116.156]+[50114.156])/100))-[2311.71])/[2311.71]*100
Just for information, I'm using the following filters.
ABS([50040.71]-[50040.71.shift(-10)]) < ([50040.71]/[50040.71.shift(-10)])*0.1 & ABS([2311.71]-[2311.71.shift(-10)]) < ([2311.71]/[2311.71.shift(-10)])*0.1 OR [50090.156] > 95
Thanks again.
I have had my LTFT's disabled for a long time now. But I use the formula you posted above...however, the only way that works is that you have to have the LTFT channel added to your channel list. It will report 0% but that is necessary for the formula to work since it is look at both ST and LT.
The other option is, keep LTFT disabled and remove it from the channel list and use these formulas instead which only look at STFT:
(([2320.71]+([2320.71]*([50116.156])/100))-[50040.71])/[50040.71]*100
(([2320.71]+([2320.71]*([50116.156]+0)/100))-[2311.71])/[2311.71]*100
That filter looks like the one Sirius created, right? If so, I have not used it myself. However, I do not feel like it is needed, so I stick my mine:
CL
[2517.161.avg(1500)]=0 and [2517.161.avg(-200)]=0 and (abs([50090.156.slope(1500)])+abs([50090.156.slope(-500)]))<2 and ([6310]=9 OR [6310]=14 OR [6310]=15)=0
PE
[2517.161.avg(1500)]=0 and [2517.161.avg(-200)]=0 and (abs([50090.156.slope(250)])+abs([50090.156.slope(-250)]))<2 and [6310.avg(250)]=9
A standard approach will give you standard results.
My Tuning Software:
VVE Assistant [update for v1.5]
MAF Assistant
EOIT Assistant