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    2016 Dodge Challenger R/T 5.7L Whipple with the infamous pedal surge

    Hi all,

    First off, I am 99.9% a Mustang tuner and do not do many Mopar or GM's but I have a good name for tuning locally so I get a lot of people wanting me to "tune" or fix their issues, that's what we have here today. So, I got a call from another shop about a year ago on this 2016 Challenger R/T 5.7L. His customer had bought a used Whipple from a 6.4L SRT and they bought all the needed parts to go from the 6.4L to the 5.7L and installed the used kit with a set of BBK LTH's and high flow cats. The car had already been to another local tuner in the area and he managed to make the car pretty much undriveable. Once I received the car and looked at the "original tune" I knew there was a lot of issues with it. I then reached out to a tuning buddy of mine and he was going to help me with it but between our schedules it just didn't work out and the customer was hounding me to get it resolved so I decided to reach out to Whipple and got a factory calibration from them for this vehicle. After a couple of revisions the car seemed pretty good so we put in on the dyno where it made 500-525 RWHP and I sent him on his way. I didn't heard anything negative from the customer and figured it was a done deal. Then around April this year (we're in MA so he had the car away for a few months for winter) the customer called me to let me know he was getting a check engine light so I told him to swing it by and it had a P0133 code so I figured we'd put 2 new front O2's and extension harnesses in it because someone had just extended one side with butt connectors. Ugh.

    So, after installing the new O2's and harnesses I shipped him down the road and and not long after he was calling again, same code and a P0300 code. I then raised the O2 transport values, like a Ford and hoped that was it but to no avail it still has codes. Then from reading the forum it seems that the P0133 is common with the LTH's but I never really looked for the best way to tune it because the customer asked me drop the idle from 800 to 750 and then all I got was idle hang and "cruise control" when driving it . I then performed a throttle relearn and that seemed to correct the issue but the customer said it was still there so I took it back in again. Again, looking to the forum for answers I read about the throttle body small and large range along with the throttle body airflow changes that seemed like a great place to start. Whipple had only changed the TB airflow data and small range from 1.50V up so I made changes to all three tables and bam the "cruise control" effect was gone but now I feel that there is more prominent "surge" in the part and mid throttle so here I am. Any and all feedback would be greatly appreciated. I will upload the current file in the car, the last Whipple file, the stock file and a datalog with the current tune file. Sorry about writing a book but I like to be very thorough and figured I put it all down so it would limit the questions. Again, any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Chris
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    I like to be very through

    sure you do

    why you leave out a O

    thorough

    ha


    were the short term trims snapping back and forth like they are now (at cruise) before you messed with those 3 tables?

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    Figures I'd screw up something in my post. I proof read it too. LOL... To be honest I'd have to look at previous datalogs but I believe so. I think that is one of the causes for the P0133, correct? I thought I read somewhere that is the value is going above 750mV and below 400mV it can cause the P0133. Something I read anyway

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    It was like when I hear someone telling others how humble they are rofl

    Yeah I am not sure of the exact cause. There is so much going on in these controllers that I am completely ignorant about. I do tho believe that fluctuation can just be a tune issue and not necessarily connected to the sensor or what it is seeing. Airflow being outta wack

    Maybe

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    For the throttle feel ... I've messed with my Throttle Body Model Airflow plus Small and Large Range tables quite a bit to get the pedal to feel smooth with my Whipple'd 5.7.

    I took Hemituna's suggestion to cut quite a bit out of it, and also spent a lot of time comparing things across other factory supercharged tunes.

    Here is what I ended up with, if you want to give it a shot?

    Stoopalini's 5.7 Whipple Throttle Template
    2023 Dodge Durango R/T (5.7L) with Tow & Go Package (build thread)
    Gen 5x Whipple 3.0L Supercharger
    Smooth Boost Electronic Boost Controller
    SRT 392 Air Intake Conversion
    92mm Hellcat Throttle Body
    Mighty Mouse Mild SRT Catch Can Setup

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    Thanks for the reply. I'll give it a shot!

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    No problem ... Keep in mind I have a Smooth Boost electronic boost controller (see my signature) in my setup, so that may have some bearing on the settings which work well for me.

    It's worth a shot though
    2023 Dodge Durango R/T (5.7L) with Tow & Go Package (build thread)
    Gen 5x Whipple 3.0L Supercharger
    Smooth Boost Electronic Boost Controller
    SRT 392 Air Intake Conversion
    92mm Hellcat Throttle Body
    Mighty Mouse Mild SRT Catch Can Setup

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    I drove it a little but still seemed to have a slight stumble and surge. Idk. I'll have to look more at the VE table maybe. Thanks for the help!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MPE Racing View Post
    I drove it a little but still seemed to have a slight stumble and surge. Idk. I'll have to look more at the VE table maybe. Thanks for the help!
    Did you reset adaptives and do a throttle relearn?
    2023 Dodge Durango R/T (5.7L) with Tow & Go Package (build thread)
    Gen 5x Whipple 3.0L Supercharger
    Smooth Boost Electronic Boost Controller
    SRT 392 Air Intake Conversion
    92mm Hellcat Throttle Body
    Mighty Mouse Mild SRT Catch Can Setup

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    I did a throttle relearn but I don't think I reset all adaptives