New to dodge tuning and trying to find out the basic steps

I have been reading and reading on this forum and its really hard to pull all the useful info (That relates to almost stock setups) out of the threads since most of the threads either start with blown or cammed motors or end up there anyway. So what I am looking for is how to tweek the tune to get the 20-25 hp and the responsiveness that the predator tune gives you. I have a wide band o2 installed and configured into scanner but Im not sure where to go from here.

06 charger srt8
CAI
180 T STAT
Aftermarket TB and i cant remember stats on it
I run open exhaust most of the time via cutouts

I know this is likely to be boring to all you advanced tuning guys but any pointers or links to threads would be greatly appreciated.
Thank you

Here are some links that have helped me out and should get you started:

Know your PCM
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...tion-2-25-Beta

Some more info from FCA about the PCM and some mechanical stuff
http://perception.fcaperformanceinst...84/0621616.pdf
https://techauthorityonlinedemo.extr...8169906065.pdf
http://perception.fcaperformanceinst...84/0131216.pdf

If you are going to tweak the 5.7...make sure you know the differences among the different years
https://www.knowyourparts.com/techni...-hemi-anatomy/

Overview of common dodge parameters
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...tarters-How-To

One members overview in using HP tuners
http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...3=#post5949729

NN tuning
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...el+mass+tuning
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post473128

Speed density tuning (go to HP tuners online help, search for tuning and select user submitted)
Attachment 79439

Approaches to tuning (NN vs VE)
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ight=aircharge

Explanation of throttle airflow:
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post466902
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...nse-with-a-S-C
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post481319

If your throttle hangs and car seems to cruise by itself:
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...=cruise+effect

Here is one more, it's a doc an old version on how to tune GM/Chevy vehicles but most of the info is applicable.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagn...-software.html

Some how to's
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...o-and-how-to-s

Another link with tips and tricks - for example, good to know Expected Pedal vs. Power % Request values should be the inverse of each other
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post354216

Here is a walkthrough on one approach to address throttle lag
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post376409

ETC and DD settings
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...nse-with-a-S-C

Areas to tweak for throttle hang
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...=throttle+hang
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ighlight=sonic

O2 Transport tweaks if readings seem slow
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...=throttle+hang

Some info on Flex Fuel
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post543221
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...e-on-a-Hellcat

Discussion on Sensed Map which can give better throttle feel
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...36-P2173/page2
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...hange-readings
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ght=sensed+map

VVT tuning, some of the best explanations I have seen for the Hemis.
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...372-Can-timing
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...+6.4+vvt+table
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post404114
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthread.php?68218-5-7-vvt
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthread.php?61033-Please-Explain-WOT-VVT-Values/page1
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...-valve-tiiming
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post456677

What is lock-pin?
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...pin-definition (aligns with FCA workbook explanation)
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post678455 (aligns with stock VVT tables and vid explanation of VVT)

Setting up a 270 in a 5.7
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post439322

5.7 vs 6.2/6.4 VVT
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...-6-2-cam/page2

An FCA workbook that describes how VVT (VCT) works. Basically when the OCV is 0% PWM the cam is in lock pin (full intake advance) and when it is at 100% it is full intake retard.
http://perception.fcaperformanceinstitute.com/FCARepository_con/topiccontent/1588106484/0121716.pdf

Nice article where 3 different cams with identical lift but different LSA are compared.
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/cams...ted-explained/

VVT explained by Hot Rod, the graph near the end hits home as to why VVT is beneficial.
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp...-valve-timing/

VVT tuning from The Tuning School which apparently shows some gain in tweaking VVT on what I guess is a stock motor. As for their dodge tuning course book, VVT is really not discussed in detail.
https://thetuningschool.com/blogs/news/vvt-in-123

Info on SRT4 MAP sensor
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...NEEDED-PLEASE!

Airflow & torque relationship. Appears to relate to tables 35032, 44386, 19645 and 36116 in GPEC2A controller.
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ue-Correlation

Idle tuning
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ntrolled-Setup

If you try to change tire size and get an ABS error...try a different bypass cable and/or software like Alfaobd.
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post603295



ZF trans info
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post544476

Thank you! Im sure this will give me most if not all of the info I was looking for.

You will need to set-up the VCM scanner charts/channels to match the tables (base spark, injector pulswidth, power enrichment...) you intend to tune in VCM editor. If you youtube search the tuningschool, they have examples of how to do this.

Here is one example.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jpqm2SEtagw

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Originally Posted by Homer

Here are some links that have helped me out and should get you started:

Overview of common dodge parameters
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...tarters-How-To

One members overview in using HP tuners
http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...3=#post5949729

NN tuning
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...el+mass+tuning

Speed density tuning (go to HP tuners online help, search for tuning and select user submitted)
Attachment 79439

Approaches to tuning (NN vs VE)
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ight=aircharge

Here is one more, it's a doc an old version on how to tune GM/Chevy vehicles but most of the info is applicable.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagn...-software.html

Some how to's
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...o-and-how-to-s

Another link with tips and tricks - for example, good to know Expected Pedal vs. Power % Request values should be the inverse of each other
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post354216

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Thank You Very Much for the links! I've got ALOT of reading to do!

The real credit goes to those that generated all these useful posts. I got tired of using bookmarks for all the links and decided to make a post so I could have all the info in one bookmark. I usually add links to my original post. In fact, just added a thread on throttle lag that popped up on the forum recently. ;)

new here , glad to see others just starting thanks for the links

new here, glad to see others just starting out thanks for the links

Thanks for posting. This is definitely on bookmarks now

Thanks for the great info. This is what I?ve been looking for to get started.

I'm and pretty new as well. Thanks for taking the time to put those up.

Facebook group for Mopar specific HP Tuners users:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/450134375944901

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Originally Posted by spoolboy

Facebook group for Mopar specific HP Tuners users:

https://www.facebook.com/groups/450134375944901

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Thanks Spoolboy! :cheers:

i have been reading and reading and reading and i guess i need to start with the begin im a technician and i need some help fellas i dont even know where to start\

here are some files from a 2013 rt at
original
91oct tune predator
my tune

all for stock Motor

Attachment 105506Attachment 105504Attachment 105505

BUMP...for one of the best threads in on this site.

WOW Homer ! You ought to start your own tuning school ! :worship:

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Originally Posted by Homer

Here are some links that have helped me out and should get you started:

Know your PCM
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...tion-2-25-Beta

Some more info from FCA about the PCM and some mechanical stuff
http://perception.fcaperformanceinst...84/0621616.pdf
https://techauthorityonlinedemo.extr...8169906065.pdf
http://perception.fcaperformanceinst...84/0131216.pdf

If you are going to tweak the 5.7...make sure you know the differences among the different years
https://www.knowyourparts.com/techni...-hemi-anatomy/

Overview of common dodge parameters
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...tarters-How-To

One members overview in using HP tuners
http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...3=#post5949729

NN tuning
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...el+mass+tuning
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post473128

Speed density tuning (go to HP tuners online help, search for tuning and select user submitted)
Attachment 79439

Approaches to tuning (NN vs VE)
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ight=aircharge

Explanation of throttle airflow:
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post466902
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...nse-with-a-S-C
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post481319

If your throttle hangs and car seems to cruise by itself:
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...=cruise+effect

Here is one more, it's a doc an old version on how to tune GM/Chevy vehicles but most of the info is applicable.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagn...-software.html

Some how to's
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...o-and-how-to-s

Another link with tips and tricks - for example, good to know Expected Pedal vs. Power % Request values should be the inverse of each other
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post354216

Here is a walkthrough on one approach to address throttle lag
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post376409

ETC and DD settings
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...nse-with-a-S-C

Areas to tweak for throttle hang
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...=throttle+hang
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ighlight=sonic

O2 Transport tweaks if readings seem slow
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...=throttle+hang

Some info on Flex Fuel
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post543221
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...e-on-a-Hellcat

Discussion on Sensed Map which can give better throttle feel
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...36-P2173/page2
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...hange-readings
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ght=sensed+map

VVT tuning, some of the best explanations I have seen for the Hemis.
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...372-Can-timing
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...+6.4+vvt+table
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post404114
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthread.php?68218-5-7-vvt
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthread.php?61033-Please-Explain-WOT-VVT-Values/page1
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...-valve-tiiming
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post456677

What is lock-pin?
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...pin-definition

Setting up a 270 in a 5.7
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post439322

5.7 vs 6.2/6.4 VVT
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...-6-2-cam/page2

An FCA workbook that describes how VVT (VCT) works. Basically when the OCV is 0% PWM the cam is in lock pin (full intake advance) and when it is at 100% it is full intake retard.
http://perception.fcaperformanceinstitute.com/FCARepository_con/topiccontent/1588106484/0121716.pdf

Nice article where 3 different cams with identical lift but different LSA are compared.
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/cams...ted-explained/

VVT explained by Hot Rod, the graph near the end hits home as to why VVT is beneficial.
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp...-valve-timing/

VVT tuning from The Tuning School which apparently shows some gain in tweaking VVT on what I guess is a stock motor. As for their dodge tuning course book, VVT is really not discussed in detail.
https://thetuningschool.com/blogs/news/vvt-in-123

Info on SRT4 MAP sensor
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...NEEDED-PLEASE!

Airflow & torque relationship. Appears to relate to tables 35032, 44386, 19645 and 36116 in GPEC2A controller.
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ue-Correlation

Idle tuning
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ntrolled-Setup

If you try to change tire size and get an ABS error...try a different bypass cable and/or software like Alfaobd.
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post603295

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Thanks, you saved my life :D

I am in my very early steps in tuning HP/Dodge and this will be my starting thread with all the links.

A big thanks also to all the guys who are created those posts

I see this is 4 years old. And I think it is ok to ask here. I did some searches and couldn't find information.
But where do you start and what do you do when you get strange random issues. I am trying hard to log them but I don't even know where to start and catching it is difficult.

The issue I am having is I went with bigger injectors and fuel pump to accommodate flex fuel.
The fuel pump I believe is not an issue as this issue I am going to mention was there prior to fuel pump and after installing the FIC1000cc injectors.

I kept the IPW and FM from the 660cc FIC injectors. (because it was 14.7 (but hunting) at idle and my MPG got better by 4-5mpg's)

I just started making changes by using the LTFT+STFT/IPW method.

They are getting closer to the 3-5 % tolerance.

The problem is at times I get a slight clunk or stutter when I first apply throttle and some stutter at part throttle acceleration.
Once I get into PE it all goes away.

Where would you start to correct the issue?
I do not have my tune file on hand until this evening.

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Originally Posted by BoostBuilder

I see this is 4 years old. And I think it is ok to ask here. I did some searches and couldn't find information.
But where do you start and what do you do when you get strange random issues. I am trying hard to log them but I don't even know where to start and catching it is difficult.

The issue I am having is I went with bigger injectors and fuel pump to accommodate flex fuel.
The fuel pump I believe is not an issue as this issue I am going to mention was there prior to fuel pump and after installing the FIC1000cc injectors.

I kept the IPW and FM from the 660cc FIC injectors. (because it was 14.7 (but hunting) at idle and my MPG got better by 4-5mpg's)

I just started making changes by using the LTFT+STFT/IPW method.

They are getting closer to the 3-5 % tolerance.

The problem is at times I get a slight clunk or stutter when I first apply throttle and some stutter at part throttle acceleration.
Once I get into PE it all goes away.

Where would you start to correct the issue?
I do not have my tune file on hand until this evening.

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What is year of the vehicle and anything else done to it mod wise

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Originally Posted by bertawarwagon

What is year of the vehicle and anything else done to it mod wise

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I am so sorry. I should have included that.

It is a 2016 Dodge Charger SXT ADW:
Ripp Supercharger Kit (Vortech V3-Si)
Dyno Tune ECM & TCM ? expired
Smaller Blower Pulley (+3psi boost)
UR MAXX Crank Lightweight Pulley
Ripp Ignition Coils
BBK 78MM Throttle body
Pug lower intake
Port matched Upper intake
FIC 1000cc Injectors
Walbro 470lph fuel pump
Proflex Commander flex fuel sensor

Stock trans, gears etc.

It was dyno tuned prior to Smaller Boost pulley, Walbro pump and 1000cc injectors.

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Originally Posted by bertawarwagon

What is year of the vehicle and anything else done to it mod wise

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attached is my log.
MJH Rev 1 MBT Fail
and tune
MJH 4-27 rev 1
I had stuttering around the 11 min mark, 13:11 and 15:50-16:00. I tried to play with the MBT but that didn't go well.

So I went back and tuned and got this log which ran better but has random PT stutter. MJH rev 2 Drive home

Tune for this change is MJH 4-27 Rev 2. the fuel trims on this tune are pretty good.


it is not letting me attach the logs yet

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Originally Posted by Homer

Here are some links that have helped me out and should get you started:

Know your PCM
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...tion-2-25-Beta

Some more info from FCA about the PCM and some mechanical stuff
http://perception.fcaperformanceinst...84/0621616.pdf
https://techauthorityonlinedemo.extr...8169906065.pdf
http://perception.fcaperformanceinst...84/0131216.pdf

If you are going to tweak the 5.7...make sure you know the differences among the different years
https://www.knowyourparts.com/techni...-hemi-anatomy/

Overview of common dodge parameters
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...tarters-How-To

One members overview in using HP tuners
http://www.challengertalk.com/forums...3=#post5949729

NN tuning
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...el+mass+tuning
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post473128

Speed density tuning (go to HP tuners online help, search for tuning and select user submitted)
Attachment 79439

Approaches to tuning (NN vs VE)
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ight=aircharge

Explanation of throttle airflow:
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post466902
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...nse-with-a-S-C
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post481319

If your throttle hangs and car seems to cruise by itself:
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...=cruise+effect

Here is one more, it's a doc an old version on how to tune GM/Chevy vehicles but most of the info is applicable.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagn...-software.html

Some how to's
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...o-and-how-to-s

Another link with tips and tricks - for example, good to know Expected Pedal vs. Power % Request values should be the inverse of each other
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post354216

Here is a walkthrough on one approach to address throttle lag
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post376409

ETC and DD settings
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...nse-with-a-S-C

Areas to tweak for throttle hang
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...=throttle+hang
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ighlight=sonic

O2 Transport tweaks if readings seem slow
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...=throttle+hang

Some info on Flex Fuel
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post543221
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...e-on-a-Hellcat

Discussion on Sensed Map which can give better throttle feel
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...36-P2173/page2
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...hange-readings
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ght=sensed+map

VVT tuning, some of the best explanations I have seen for the Hemis.
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...372-Can-timing
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...+6.4+vvt+table
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post404114
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthread.php?68218-5-7-vvt
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthread.php?61033-Please-Explain-WOT-VVT-Values/page1
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...-valve-tiiming
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post456677

What is lock-pin?
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...pin-definition (aligns with FCA workbook explanation)
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post678455 (aligns with stock VVT tables and vid explanation of VVT)

Setting up a 270 in a 5.7
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post439322

5.7 vs 6.2/6.4 VVT
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...-6-2-cam/page2

An FCA workbook that describes how VVT (VCT) works. Basically when the OCV is 0% PWM the cam is in lock pin (full intake advance) and when it is at 100% it is full intake retard.
http://perception.fcaperformanceinstitute.com/FCARepository_con/topiccontent/1588106484/0121716.pdf

Nice article where 3 different cams with identical lift but different LSA are compared.
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/cams...ted-explained/

VVT explained by Hot Rod, the graph near the end hits home as to why VVT is beneficial.
https://www.hotrod.com/articles/hrdp...-valve-timing/

VVT tuning from The Tuning School which apparently shows some gain in tweaking VVT on what I guess is a stock motor. As for their dodge tuning course book, VVT is really not discussed in detail.
https://thetuningschool.com/blogs/news/vvt-in-123

Info on SRT4 MAP sensor
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...NEEDED-PLEASE!

Airflow & torque relationship. Appears to relate to tables 35032, 44386, 19645 and 36116 in GPEC2A controller.
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ue-Correlation

Idle tuning
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...ntrolled-Setup

If you try to change tire size and get an ABS error...try a different bypass cable and/or software like Alfaobd.
https://forum.hptuners.com/showthrea...l=1#post603295

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Thanks!!! This is very helpful

Thank you Homer for the links.

SStampede.

Sorry if posted in the wrong place but first thanks Homer for the awesome links secondly I have a 2013 Charger 6.4 srt8 and just completely rebuilt the motor due to lifter failure so I deleted mds installed stage 1 comp hrt cam, springs, seals ect... hellcat oil pump, new bearings with additional oil clearance, long tube headers with catless mids, K&N CAI, ported intake, and had it dyno tuned locally by a mostly gm Ford guy it put out 467 hp and I got a pedal commander recently I'm looking to learn to go over the tune installed and fine tune it and maybe send it to someone to get there opinion on it I have a hp tuner mpvi3 and can log data I just need pointed in the right direction thanks for any help in advance

read a lot look compare trial and error

does it have stock pistons?

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Originally Posted by BoostBuilder

I am so sorry. I should have included that.

It is a 2016 Dodge Charger SXT ADW:
Ripp Supercharger Kit (Vortech V3-Si)
Dyno Tune ECM & TCM ? expired
Smaller Blower Pulley (+3psi boost)
UR MAXX Crank Lightweight Pulley
Ripp Ignition Coils
BBK 78MM Throttle body
Pug lower intake
Port matched Upper intake
FIC 1000cc Injectors
Walbro 470lph fuel pump
Proflex Commander flex fuel sensor

Stock trans, gears etc.

It was dyno tuned prior to Smaller Boost pulley, Walbro pump and 1000cc injectors.

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@BoostBuilder? How do you like the Proflex Commander setup? I've thought about getting one to be able to go Flex Fuel on a single map.

I held off after I went by to go check out the shop since I'm not far away. I'm guessing it's the metal building in the guy's backyard out in the middle of the country. I wasn't expecting that after talking to them on the phone and just became a little leery.

Lol

What the building looks like from the outside has nothing to do with how quick the cars that come out of it are

I am new to the world of HP Tuners and wanted to take a moment to thank everyone on this forum for the incredible amount of information and support you provide. The guidance and resources I have found here have been tremendously helpful to me. Thanks to you, I have been able to start understanding how to adjust the ECM of my Dodge and optimize my vehicle's performance.

The dedication and knowledge shared in this community are invaluable, and I am very grateful for everyone's willingness to help newcomers like myself. I am excited to keep learning and to contribute in any way I can in the future.

Thank you again for all your support and knowledge!:Fr?o:

Amazing reference guide Thank you!

good to see that there are people here that can get help when they ask for it! the rest, just figure it out.

can i borrow your EBT card?

we have some hungry kids over here

I wanted to get your opinion?has anyone installed the Rubicon Bench Flash https://dieselino.com/products/jeep-...lash-2020-2023 on their vehicle? I would appreciate any feedback. Alternatively, could you recommend a similar product?

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Originally Posted by Ahmed_Viper

Thanks, you saved my life :D

I am in my very early steps in tuning HP/Dodge and this will be my starting thread with all the links.

A big thanks also to all the guys who are created those posts

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Great stuff here!

Commenting so I have this info handy. Thank you to everyone that shares this info in threads for us newbies especially!