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    Injector Dynamics prices are going up

    If you were ever interested in buying injectors from Injector Dynamics, now is the time to do it. On Jan. 1, prices are going up $5 per injector for ID725s, ID850s, and ID1000s. The ID2000s are going up $10 per injector.

    ID850s right now are $880, they are bumping to $920.
    ID1000s right now are $904, they are bumping to $944.
    ID2000s right now are $1919.60, they are bumping to $1999.60.

    Those prices are sets of eight and don't include spacers. Like I said, anybody that has been considering these should order before January 1. If you're interested in ordering or have questions, PM me! I can get these anywhere in the continental US in two days with free shipping, or next day air for $20.

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    Oh that stinks, dont have the money yet, and Im pretty sure Im goona need the ID2000's. I wanna run a T88 on a 6.0 LS2 and do it on E85, and I think the ID1000's wont be able to flow enough......sigh. I used the injector sizing program, and came up with around 103lb injectors.
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    My ID1000s made 770whp at 55% duty cycle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSteck View Post
    My ID1000s made 770whp at 55% duty cycle.
    on e85?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rynez06 View Post
    on e85?
    93 octane without meth (from Costco, haha).

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    So what are you saying?

    Will the ID1000 will support 1200 (crank HP), or 900 whp on E85? 75% whp ratio instead of 80% due to AWD heavy ass vehicle. Keep in mind this is at 58psi stock FPR, but will rise with boost due to 1:1 ratio FPR. So at WOT will be at 74psi @ 16psi. Calculating this has been a pain in the ass. Anybody done this before?
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    On pump gas, ID1000s will support about 1400rwhp. It's about 1000rwhp on E85. All of this assumes a 58psi base pressure return fuel system.

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    Thanks Dsteck.
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    Well damnit! I know about their superiority in the market right now but I was already having a hard time pushing Injector Dynamics on customers in comparison to low pricing and injector values for tuning provided from http://www.corvetteinjectors.com/shop/index.php.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cantalope Kid View Post
    Well damnit! I know about their superiority in the market right now but I was already having a hard time pushing Injector Dynamics on customers in comparison to low pricing and injector values for tuning provided from http://www.corvetteinjectors.com/shop/index.php.
    The data they give out is actually a direct copy/paste of what ID has produced or factory data multiplied by an arbitrary percentage. I actually busted them on directly copying ID's data spreadsheet (they just removed any mention of ID). FIC doesn't have the capability to characterize an injector, so they just steal from other applications. Their stuff is cheap for a reason.

    ID's stuff is very expensive, no doubt. However, there's a noticeable difference in cars using them, and cars using knock-offs or other modified injectors. ID dynamically matches their injector sets, which means they match them on flow rate AND on response time. Forcing an injector open and measuring how much it flows is only half of the story. One injector out of eight might be lazy and have a longer response time, which can result in lean misfires at extremely low load conditions like idle. If memory serves me right, ID matches sets so they are within 26 microseconds of each other on response time.

    Yes, I am an injector snob. You can get a car to start, idle, and drive with other injectors. From my experience, the cars with IDs just tend to run smoother.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSteck View Post
    The data they give out is actually a direct copy/paste of what ID has produced or factory data multiplied by an arbitrary percentage. I actually busted them on directly copying ID's data spreadsheet (they just removed any mention of ID). FIC doesn't have the capability to characterize an injector, so they just steal from other applications. Their stuff is cheap for a reason.

    ID's stuff is very expensive, no doubt. However, there's a noticeable difference in cars using them, and cars using knock-offs or other modified injectors. ID dynamically matches their injector sets, which means they match them on flow rate AND on response time. Forcing an injector open and measuring how much it flows is only half of the story. One injector out of eight might be lazy and have a longer response time, which can result in lean misfires at extremely low load conditions like idle. If memory serves me right, ID matches sets so they are within 26 microseconds of each other on response time.

    Yes, I am an injector snob. You can get a car to start, idle, and drive with other injectors. From my experience, the cars with IDs just tend to run smoother.
    1000%

    Getting the data is extremely difficult and the data from ID's injector is not going to be the same as someone else's modified injector. Personally, the injector data is some of most important pieces of information in the ECU, if you want the car to drive well anyways. Time is money, and to get that data is not only very expensive equipment wise, but lots of time involved doing it, that time and accuracy is what you are paying for, not just the injectors. I have not used ID, but I have read what he has published and he is in a crowd of very very few in the aftermarket. I agree 10 fold with about everything I have read on his website.

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    can you get the ID850 in the ls2 length? i need them for my turbo 2012 5.0 mustang.. i cant run the adapter because it puts the clip to close to the manifold, i actually need the clip higher up
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    Is there a reason you can't run the ID1000? It is the same physical size as a LS2 injector.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSteck View Post
    Is there a reason you can't run the ID1000? It is the same physical size as a LS2 injector.
    no, just dont need that much injector, but i guess it shouldnt be an issue....pm a price, or is the price set?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DSteck View Post
    The data they give out is actually a direct copy/paste of what ID has produced or factory data multiplied by an arbitrary percentage. I actually busted them on directly copying ID's data spreadsheet (they just removed any mention of ID). FIC doesn't have the capability to characterize an injector, so they just steal from other applications. Their stuff is cheap for a reason.

    ID's stuff is very expensive, no doubt. However, there's a noticeable difference in cars using them, and cars using knock-offs or other modified injectors. ID dynamically matches their injector sets, which means they match them on flow rate AND on response time. Forcing an injector open and measuring how much it flows is only half of the story. One injector out of eight might be lazy and have a longer response time, which can result in lean misfires at extremely low load conditions like idle. If memory serves me right, ID matches sets so they are within 26 microseconds of each other on response time.

    Yes, I am an injector snob. You can get a car to start, idle, and drive with other injectors. From my experience, the cars with IDs just tend to run smoother.
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    You do know FIC has been handing out ID's data as their own, and telling people that ID stole the data from FIC, right? Ask FIC about the cease and desist letter.

    FICs are NOT dynamically matched. They do not have the equipment nor the know-how to do it.



    Also, LOL at making injectors piss into a graduated cylinder.

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    IDs bench setup / equipment must be some hell-of-a piece of machinery.
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    A modified MoTeC controller with actual flow metering equipment and a controlled test environment... Yea, it is.

    http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showth...053#post296053

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSteck View Post
    A modified MoTeC controller with actual flow metering equipment and a controlled test environment... Yea, it is.

    http://www.hptuners.com/forum/showth...053#post296053
    you said that was just the testing bench to break in the injectors prior to benching? and the link in that thread says that.

    curious then how FIC has data on injectors that ID doesn't sell? I have used these injectors and they work beautifully on another car that I have tuned. car maintains fueling and goes down to a 1.3msec pulsewidth
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    If you actually dig into it, you'll see it's just data copied from existing injectors. Sometimes they'll multiply the entire data field by a % in an attempt to mask it. The lat data sheet that was sent to me had ID's short pulse adder table, except multiplied by 0.97. The voltage offset table was the exact same as ID's, except multiplied by 0.95. Another "data sheet" was just injector data from LS9 injectors. What's hilarious is FIC uses to always sing the song about how only the orifice plate or tip is modified, and since no internals are changed, the injector data doesn't change. Kinda funny... Considering, for example, that the 1000cc injector starts life as a 47lb GT500 injector, yet the proper data is drastically different.

    You can make anything pulse down. It doesn't meant cylinder to cylinder and cycle to cycle fueling is right.

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