Any chance of actually getting rid of this or maybe adding it to the software of commercial tuners??? had plenty of cars come down to me who've had to change out their pcms coz they were locked....
Any chance of actually getting rid of this or maybe adding it to the software of commercial tuners??? had plenty of cars come down to me who've had to change out their pcms coz they were locked....
Bader Norris
MEP Tuned
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what use is a lock if it can be opened?
the only way we would ever allow this is removing the lock by writing over the tune with a file you have. This creates additional problems and it all gets very messy.
I count sheep in hex...
how bout a way of payment... as in, even if u have the model/year license, you pay 2 extra credits to turn it back to stock?? It saves a customer $50-100 instead of switiching out the pcm?
Bader Norris
MEP Tuned
Telephone: +965-55446651
Email: [email protected]
lol, how would that go over well with our tunershop customers? Sounds like a clusterf*ck to me.
Customer gets tuned by a tunershop that tunerlocks
Customer buys hptuners pays 2 credits to *unlock* & set back to stock
Customer tunes vehicle & blows his motor
Customer turns around & blames tunershop, smears their name until they pay
I've seen it before not very far fetched
Not something we will be dealing with.
It doesn't have to be perfect, it just needs to be done in two weeks...
A wise man once said "google it"
thisOriginally Posted by Chris@HPTuners
I have to agree with this. I have a friend that bought a TBSS that has a locked tune on it and has not been able to get any info on where it was tuned. Now his only option is getting a new pcm. Seems there has to be a better way.
there is no easy way to implement this, at best it could ONLY unlock PCMs locked by our software, ONLY if you knew who locked it and ONLY if you have the stock file to write over the locked tune. and then it's a huge resource requirement that can be better spent elsewhere.
Then say if we released a brute force type unlocker that could unlock a PCM locked by anyone, again you would need the stock file to write over it BUT it could take up to 5-6 days to unlock the PCM. You would need a decidated PC for it, another HPT setup unless you can live with your one cable out of action until the PCM is unlocked.
Basically no.
I count sheep in hex...
I understand about it being ridiculously impossible. Is there anyway to encode some tuner info when a file is locked? That way when someone like my friend gets a vehicle with a locked tune he may have someway of contacting who locked the file to deal with it.
we thought about this originally but decided it was too much overhead.
I count sheep in hex...
The tuner could do it fairly easily .
A sticker on the outside of the PCM with the details on it would do the trick.
How about a simple "crowbar" that would wipe the data & OS
but leave the PCM writable? That way nobody's "property" (as
if a work-for hire is anybody but the customer's property) is
compromisable but the user at least can write to their own damn
hardware, what they want.
to get to this point the hard work is done, it is trivial to either wipe the PCM or write a file to it once it's unlocked. Unlocking it is the hard part.
I count sheep in hex...
would it be possible to add a seed/key to the locking process so that people who wanted to could get a "password" to unlock the pcm?
that way you retain locking, and still have an option for those who can get back to the original tuner for a key
-Scott -
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If I could just write-entire over a PCM, it would do everything I need to do. For the guys with no licenses, HPT would obviously get 2 credits for the process.
this is something i have thought about, but it still gets messy
I count sheep in hex...
I thought the issue was not the difficulty but the supposed
ownership of the tune data or some liability for munging it.
Which my proposal addresses cleanly (except for the effort).
to me the 2 best options are to make a brute force wipe as jimmy stated
or to make a key like I stated
either way is gonna take some sort of mess to get there..
but you could sell Jimmys Idea as a stand alone part and make it a purchased item.
make a 1-2 credit price or a multi credit full license for "crowbar"
personally I would end up getting the full on because I have had a number of shop locked pcms that I have had to either have the person go get it unlocked or get a new pcm
typically going back to the shop to ask for an unlock is a bigger ordeal than buying a new pcm it seems as has been my experience with the guys I have tuned
-Scott -
Why don't we as tuners ask HP tuners to make a database on the forum that after we tune a vehicle WE type in the vin and lit our name. That way if you find a car with a HP locked tune you could contact the person and MAYBE work something out? I know this will not solve every occurrence but it might help.
A database is only good if it gets used.
And the shops locking the PCM's are obviously not going to use it.
Tyler
for the price of 2 credits you can get most PCM's unlocked
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